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Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll never be over--it's just Berlin will no longer be the capital of it. Actually would not be terribly surprised if the party moves to San Francisco next.

It goes were cheap space exists. So SF not, rust belt yes, eastern Europe yes..the gentrified poker chip stack cities of the investors can not host vibrant nightlife..

I'm talking about if current trends continue--specifically, capital continuing to flee SF.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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I think the closing point is pretty good: these businesses are complaining about declining revenues... but also turning people away?

If that's how the nightclub business works, it's better for the government to stay away from subsidizing them. Let them run their business in their own way - but without taxpayer funding.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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post #15
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll never be over--it's just Berlin will no longer be the capital of it. Actually would not be terribly surprised if the party moves to San Francisco next.

San Francisco is the least party city imaginable. There is probably a better dance scene in Moscow, Idaho then there is in SF.

Today, yes. But see my reply to commenter above.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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You also have tik tok ravers. A generation which built their own culture in isolation in the pandemic now flooding the dance floors not knowing anything about techno culture. For me it's a big part of not wanting to go anywhere anymore. Before, your outfit didn't matter, phones, photos and videos were discouraged. Nowadays these kids dress to impress and point there phones everywhere. They consume the techno culture…

For many older people it died in the 90s. When people stopped dancing and treated the DJ like it was a concert I felt it had changed into something else. I watch some of the old VHS I took and people are crowding the speakers and the floor is alive, while nowadays so much of what I see is people all facing a DJ lit up by a spotlight and just standing their bobbing their head.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Berghain likes to exclude you based on your accent, if you sound "too American" you'll have to party elsewhere. A Berlin club owner bought some buildings in Detroit too and abandoned them, the death is felt internationally. https://abcnews.go.com/International/berlin-club-owners-miss...

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It goes were cheap space exists. So SF not, rust belt yes, eastern Europe yes..the gentrified poker chip stack cities of the investors can not host vibrant nightlife..

I'm talking about if current trends continue--specifically, capital continuing to flee SF.

Indeed. The whole of SV has crazy empty commercial space, and it will only get worse.

And SF is in way worse shape.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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I’m not really a big nightclub person, but during a trip to Germany, got a chance to meet up with a former colleague and friend in Berlin who offered to take us out to a nightclub situated in a very old castle. One of the coolest experiences of my life and it’s unfortunate to think that we’ll lose something like that from our culture just because of market forces and the next generation’s unwillingness to carry the torch when it doesn’t align completely with their sensibilities.

But such is life I guess.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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I think the closing point is pretty good: these businesses are complaining about declining revenues... but also turning people away? If that's how the nightclub business works, it's better for the government to stay away from subsidizing them. Let them run their business in their own way - but without taxpayer funding.

why would taxpayers fund them? do they fund them?
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