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Nuclear Conversion for Starship

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Re: Nuclear Conversion for Starship

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I think we'll see nuclear propulsion for Starship variants that receive fuel rods in orbit and are not designed for reentry. Interplanetary logistics between Earth/Moon/Mars orbits.

Name me a country willing to give Elon Musk control of fissile material, however indirect.

NK, "if" he has enough cold hard cash.

Re: Nuclear Conversion for Starship

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post #10

Might be a stupid question: would this result in radioactivity just flying through space as we try to propel spacecraft with it?

It's not a stupid question. Space is already highly radioactive, with lots of protons and bigger nuclei from outside the solar system flying around in all directions, along with a ton of proton radiation from the Sun.

Yes, but with very little long-lived decaying material that you could carry inside a survivable habitat.

Re: Nuclear Conversion for Starship

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I only skimmed the article; but as I understood it the liquid hydrogen here is being used strictly as ejecta. It is not being combusted, the way that it is used in the space shuttle boosters.

If that is the case, liquid hydrogen seems like an awful substance -- hard to produce and transport, hard to store and the mass required to support keeping it is not insubstantialy, all for a mass density of ~70g/L.

Why not just use water? Water is 1000g/L and can be stored without any real effort at all. If all you're doing is shooting it out the rear end of the rocket with as much energy as possible, it's mysterious why you would even consider liquid H2.

Re: Nuclear Conversion for Starship

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I think we'll see nuclear propulsion for Starship variants that receive fuel rods in orbit and are not designed for reentry. Interplanetary logistics between Earth/Moon/Mars orbits.

Name me a country willing to give Elon Musk control of fissile material, however indirect.

Niger Central African Republic Cambodia Bolivia Palau Laos

There are in fact a lot of countries that would be thrilled to give Elon fissile material in exchange for investment.

Re: Nuclear Conversion for Starship

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post #10

Might be a stupid question: would this result in radioactivity just flying through space as we try to propel spacecraft with it?

More or less, yes. Space is so large and so rarified and so riddled with energetic particles and photons that the contribution of a few measly rockets is of no concern.

Re: Nuclear Conversion for Starship

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Name me a country willing to give Elon Musk control of fissile material, however indirect.

Niger Central African Republic Cambodia Bolivia Palau Laos There are in fact a lot of countries that would be thrilled to give Elon fissile material in exchange for investment.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Niger, CAR, Palau, etc don't have access to highly enriched uranium.

Re: Nuclear Conversion for Starship

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I only skimmed the article; but as I understood it the liquid hydrogen here is being used strictly as ejecta. It is not being combusted, the way that it is used in the space shuttle boosters. If that is the case, liquid hydrogen seems like an awful substance -- hard to produce and transport, hard to store and the mass required to support keeping it is not insubstantialy, all for a mass density of ~70g/L. Why not just…

For specific impulse. When you have unlimited power, you want the lightest possible molecular mass exhaust for the best total delta V.

Re: Nuclear Conversion for Starship

#28

I think we'll see nuclear propulsion for Starship variants that receive fuel rods in orbit and are not designed for reentry. Interplanetary logistics between Earth/Moon/Mars orbits.

Name me a country willing to give Elon Musk control of fissile material, however indirect.

Starship and the booster already collectively carry 70 kiloton-tnt-equivalent masses of liquid methane and oxygen. As a weapon of mass destruction, it's hard to beat relativistic impact.

Re: Nuclear Conversion for Starship

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I only skimmed the article; but as I understood it the liquid hydrogen here is being used strictly as ejecta. It is not being combusted, the way that it is used in the space shuttle boosters. If that is the case, liquid hydrogen seems like an awful substance -- hard to produce and transport, hard to store and the mass required to support keeping it is not insubstantialy, all for a mass density of ~70g/L. Why not just…

Some explanation here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_thermal_rocket#Princip...

I think all real-life actually-tested nuclear thermal rockets have used hydrogen as propellant, though use of other substances has definitely been proposed.

Re: Nuclear Conversion for Starship

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a stupid question. Space is already highly radioactive, with lots of protons and bigger nuclei from outside the solar system flying around in all directions, along with a ton of proton radiation from the Sun.

Yes, but with very little long-lived decaying material that you could carry inside a survivable habitat.

Most nuclear spaceship designs have a long stick with the reactor at one end and the crew on the other, and some kind of shielding in between. Since you only need to shield a cone, it can be quite effective.
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