Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall • Hacker News Board

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall

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Post by TylerE » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 5:36 PM UTC

sieste wrote: post #17

fasthands9 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely - but it's still notable that he's doing this after voluntarily taking the stand.

I really don't understand what the big deal is with "Do you remember saying 'these precise words'?" - "No, but it sounds like something I could have said." Given how human memory works, that should be the honest answer for everything anyone ever said more than 5 minutes ago. Why does the article turn this into a major gotcha?

Lawyering 101 is you tell your client NOT To SPECULATE. You weren’t asked if it’s the sort of thing you would say.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall

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Post by NotYourLawyer » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 5:38 PM UTC

vecter wrote: post #18

efitz wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“I don’t remember” is still perjury if you can be reasonably expected to remember or if evidence can be provided that you remembered very recently.

Interesting. How would someone prove this?

Wait for him to publicly say something stupid about it that admits guilt.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall

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Post by renewiltord » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 5:39 PM UTC

H8crilA wrote: post #20

What is amazing is that nobody infiltrated their structure and ran off with the money. There are sophisticated criminal organisations out there that go to much, much more effort to obtain funding. Just to take Hezbollah since it's all over the news recently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funding_of_Hezbollah#Latin_Ame...

I posted something shortly before the crash https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32077583

Security exploitations are oversold in the tech community. Probably out of a desire to be cool and hacker-like. If you wanted hundreds of millions it was there for the taking.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall

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Post by elil17 » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 5:39 PM UTC

dheera wrote: post #2

"don't recall" I'm guessing this is largely just an ass-covering strategy to avoid giving the opposing side an upper hand. If you say "yes" to anything you might give them verbal grounds to convict you of more than they can directly find and show external evidence for.

Well he said the things and they have hard proof for all of it - whether or not he remembers doesn't change that.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall

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Post by medler » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 5:39 PM UTC

“I found myself reflecting on how smart the average person is. Maybe they don’t know calculus. Maybe they’ll never read Ulysses. Maybe they can’t code. But they definitely know how to identify bullshit when they see it.”

How could anyone believe this? “Average” people fall for bullshit all the time.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 5:40 PM UTC

vkou wrote: post #11

dheera wrote: post #2

"don't recall" I'm guessing this is largely just an ass-covering strategy to avoid giving the opposing side an upper hand. If you say "yes" to anything you might give them verbal grounds to convict you of more than they can directly find and show external evidence for.

> I'm guessing this is largely just an ass-covering strategy to avoid giving the opposing side an upper hand. I It is, but it looks really, really bad to the jury. The government needs to convince the jury of a particular version of events, in order to convict you. If you plead the fifth, and just poke holes at that version of events, you might convince the jury that the government failed to meet the standard of conv…

I naively think there is still a chance his parents get implicated for assisting the scheme.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall

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Post by pcthrowaway » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 5:42 PM UTC

bcrosby95 wrote: post #16

omneity wrote: post #3

What’s the term when both recall and precision are abysmal?

When you're a relatively intelligent human that isn't impaired in some way? lying

> that isn't impaired in some way

Sounds like a tall order for SBF

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall

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Post by edgyquant » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 5:42 PM UTC

pphysch wrote: post #10

> Behind all the finance sheets and code bases, the fall of FTX was in a way incredibly childish: a nerd posse running away with a bunch of other people’s money in the stupidest and simplest way possible. And yet our bimodal justice system spends huge amount of resources giving this 31yo fraudster every possible chance to escape the consequences, simply because he is a member of the elite.

Every US citizen is guaranteed a right to a trial by a jury.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall

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Post by garciasn » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 5:42 PM UTC

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #9

fasthands9 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely - but it's still notable that he's doing this after voluntarily taking the stand.

Does he also have perfect recollection for the defense’s questions before he gets struck by amnesia?

I agree that agreeing to be questioned and then saying you don't recall endlessly is mostly absurd.

However, you know he has gone through hours of very recent prep with his defense lawyers about the specific questions he'll be asked by the team. So, it's not exactly fair to accuse him of having perfect recall for his defense lawyer's questions and not as much for the prosecution.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall

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Post by pixl97 » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 5:42 PM UTC

vecter wrote: post #18

efitz wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“I don’t remember” is still perjury if you can be reasonably expected to remember or if evidence can be provided that you remembered very recently.

Interesting. How would someone prove this?

By coming at the question from another direction step by step leading the person into a trap.