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Seriously, what’s up with old media not crediting bloggers?

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Re: Seriously, what’s up with old media not crediting bloggers?

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Josh Linkner publicly admitted his mistake, offerend to talk it over with Chris, and even changed the text of the article, all within one hour. Dixon is being a little harsh, I think. http://www.philco.me/philcosblog/2012/4/6/apologizing-to-chr...

Nope, no way. Dixon wasn't harsh enough, because he thought it was just a lack of credit, whereas it was actually plagiarism. The reporter took writing that wasn't his that he played off as his own (under his byline, no quotes, no source). Completely unethical and irresponsible for a journalist to do that. The fact that he got in via an e-mail and thought he could just "use" it shows that this reporter has a lot to learn (if that even happened -- I've never met another journalist who would do that, ever).

Re: Seriously, what’s up with old media not crediting bloggers?

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Obviously the Fast Company blogger (Josh Linker) should have cited (at the least!) Chris Dixon. And his explanation doesn't really hold water: "A friend of mine sent me that excerpt and I had no idea it was yours or anyone else's so I didn't attribute it when I wrote my post." But, speaking as a former reporter, it's a fallacy to tar every medium (or even "old media") for the f-up of a Fast Company blogger. The respo…

or anyone else's Via what, immaculate typing? His explanation really betrays the fact that he doesn't understand what plagiarism is.

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Re: Seriously, what’s up with old media not crediting bloggers?

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I remember reading Chris Dixon's original post. I even popped the question to a friend... "Pop Quiz.. Name one game other than Angry Birds that Rovio had produced". He named three... all of them being Angry Birds update releases. lol. MG Siegler has had multiple rants about mainstream news outlets not attributing him for scoops and releases. http://tinyurl.com/mgsieglerrant "The Wallstreet Journal is Fucking Bullshit…

There was some interesting discussion about bloggers breaking news and attribution here: http://gigaom.com/2012/02/25/is-linking-just-polite-or-is-it... (and in related twitter discussions) I'm not entirely familiar with 'old media' practices, but I always thought if two news outlets independently confirmed a news story they didn't acknowledge whoever broke the story first. Or if another news outlet breaks a story, t…

You basically have the 'old media' practices right, but there's some variances. So yes, let's say your competitor breaks a story -- if they're the only ones and you write it up based on them bringing the story to your attention, you should give them credit, whether or not that's your only verification that the story happened.

However, if you feel that you would have gotten the story anyhow (or, even more likely, you were both working on it at the same time, and they just happened to publish first -- this happens all the time), as long as you were independently able to verify and really didn't rely on them for story, you don't have to credit. And this is a good thing -- you don't want reporters to rush their reporting over something silly like credit. But it's a trust thing, just like sourcing overall is.

Another variance: Let's say, for example, that a clown is riding a horse in Time Square, and for some reason you want that story for your Washington state paper. You really shouldn't write about it until you can independently verify. But you can't because you don't have reporters or sources on the scene, and you don't want to credit just the NYT. So then the Boston Globe reports it, then Wash Post -- and all three say they've independently verified the story (vs. citing original NYT report). THEN you can pretty much assume it's fact, then you don't really need to source the papers -- you can say according to multiple reports (or say nothing at all).

It also falls back to you can't copyright facts, just the language the information is presented. As a journalist you're responsible for making sure the facts are correct (generally held at 3 sources, whatever they are), but once you've done that, you can go for it.

But that's why just not sourcing someone (bad practice) is nothing close to the linked example because plagiarism (exact language = violating copyright) is something you can get sued for.

Probably WAY more info than anyone wanted, but FYI in case it helps.

Re: Seriously, what’s up with old media not crediting bloggers?

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Josh Linker, author of the Fast Company piece, responded in the comments: "Hi Chris. Josh Linkner here, the author of this piece @ Fast Company. I owe you a HUGE apology!! A friend of mine sent me that excerpt and I had no idea it was yours or anyone else's so I didn't attribute it when I wrote my post. As an author, VC, and entrepreneur I hold myself to the highest standards and I'm deeply sorry this happened. Will…

Kudos on owning up to a big mistake, but the story about merely quoting a friend seems incredibly thin.

Re: Seriously, what’s up with old media not crediting bloggers?

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post #25

Josh Linker, author of the Fast Company piece, responded in the comments: "Hi Chris. Josh Linkner here, the author of this piece @ Fast Company. I owe you a HUGE apology!! A friend of mine sent me that excerpt and I had no idea it was yours or anyone else's so I didn't attribute it when I wrote my post. As an author, VC, and entrepreneur I hold myself to the highest standards and I'm deeply sorry this happened. Will…

Kudos on owning up to a big mistake, but the story about merely quoting a friend seems incredibly thin.

I agree. If he had no idea what the source was, why quote it? Why not go back and ask?

Re: Seriously, what’s up with old media not crediting bloggers?

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Josh Linker, author of the Fast Company piece, responded in the comments: "Hi Chris. Josh Linkner here, the author of this piece @ Fast Company. I owe you a HUGE apology!! A friend of mine sent me that excerpt and I had no idea it was yours or anyone else's so I didn't attribute it when I wrote my post. As an author, VC, and entrepreneur I hold myself to the highest standards and I'm deeply sorry this happened. Will…

If you didn't write it and don't cite a source, it's plagiarism. Doesn't matter if a friend sent it to you in email -- that just means you plagiarized a friend, which is kinda worse actually.

It's really hard for me to see this as an "honest mistake"; it just seems more like your average, run-of-the-mill, laziness-induced plagiarism.

Re: Seriously, what’s up with old media not crediting bloggers?

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Josh Linker, author of the Fast Company piece, responded in the comments: "Hi Chris. Josh Linkner here, the author of this piece @ Fast Company. I owe you a HUGE apology!! A friend of mine sent me that excerpt and I had no idea it was yours or anyone else's so I didn't attribute it when I wrote my post. As an author, VC, and entrepreneur I hold myself to the highest standards and I'm deeply sorry this happened. Will…

Yeah, because Googling for a quoted piece of the text is soo hard?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22Angry+Birds+was+Rovio%E2%80%99s%C2%A...

Re: Seriously, what’s up with old media not crediting bloggers?

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Josh Linker, author of the Fast Company piece, responded in the comments: "Hi Chris. Josh Linkner here, the author of this piece @ Fast Company. I owe you a HUGE apology!! A friend of mine sent me that excerpt and I had no idea it was yours or anyone else's so I didn't attribute it when I wrote my post. As an author, VC, and entrepreneur I hold myself to the highest standards and I'm deeply sorry this happened. Will…

If you didn't write it and don't cite a source, it's plagiarism. Doesn't matter if a friend sent it to you in email -- that just means you plagiarized a friend, which is kinda worse actually. It's really hard for me to see this as an "honest mistake"; it just seems more like your average, run-of-the-mill, laziness-induced plagiarism.

And in the age of Google, where you can just put quotes around the first sentence and find the original source, it shows a complete lack of care.
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