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Edit: Nevermind, wrong thread. Vercel does honor DCMA, of course, though.
You work at Vercel. Are you saying Vercel does not honour DMCA takedown requests and that is a selling point of using Vercel? This seems like a strange thing to brag about.
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Edit: Nevermind, wrong thread. Vercel does honor DCMA, of course, though.
You work at Vercel. Are you saying Vercel does not honour DMCA takedown requests and that is a selling point of using Vercel? This seems like a strange thing to brag about.
Not to me, it isn't.
There are plenty of areas-of-interest that attract both hobbyists and serious academics alike - which also tends to attract unwanted attention from callous legal departments who are keep to adopt a shoot-first-ask-questions-later policy - things like (lawful) research into DRM techniques, retro video-games (and not ROM hosting), infosec disclosures, and so on - so if you're really into those areas and want a safe place for your lawful content but without worrying about your site/content/services being taken-down without good cause then it makes sense to side with a provider who is able to resist DMCA requests.
> Edge functions are cost-effective as you only pay for the actual CPU execution. > We have over 1000 monitors, and the monthly cost to run them would be $150. > While on fly we only have 6 servers with 2vcpu/512Mb It cost us $23.34 monthly ($3.89*6). So edge functions are in no way cost-effective right? People using lambda functions are getting ripped off, they could just buy a couple of VPS.
A non-zero amount of our CICD pipelines are "perform API call with secret pulled from SSM/Secrets Manager". They happen 1-2 times per day and take less than a 5 seconds to run on each invocation. We currently have a burstable EC2 instance running 24/7 to handle these which costs us ~$5/mo. My napkin math says that this would cost us ~$0.01/month to run these as lambdas. More to the point though, we're limited in concurrency on these. It's pretty common that they all get triggered at the same time, it would be ideal if we could allow for an "unlimited" number of these to run. This sort of workload would be great to run for lambda functions, the engineering cost of implementing it just doesn't ever make sense.
If we paid someone $150/hour to spend half a day on it, right now our break even point is probably 5 years...
Unreliable deployments are my experience as well. I also encountered unexpected and unannounced downtimes surprisingly often. I was excited about fly, but ended up sticking with digitalocean. I have only had one issue with deployment reliability there (when they changed their build tooling for Python applications on the apps platform), but they responded quickly with a fix and shortly after announced the change and p…
Quick summary: we backed up our other prod hosting to DO over SSH. One day our backups went offline, DO claimed this was because of a DDoS attack, but our backups were working fine and there were no noticeable effects. Only one port was open, SSH, and we had great security on it. Support re-enabled networking for the host, backups resumed, then the next day the same thing happened again. We told them not to do this, and they said they could not, and that we should "put Cloudflare in front of it", completely missing how that was not possible or useful for our case, and missing the fact that we were not having any problems other than DO disabling networking.
I find it interesting that people seem to be trading short term gains with long term reliability and maintenance costs. This glut of 0-friction deploy services lull people into a nice false sense of security. But in actuality you are wasting hours, days, weeks of time when they become unreliable, support is unresponsive, or something unexpected pops up. There is a huge advantage (outside of amateur, low importance pr…
> Edge functions are cost-effective as you only pay for the actual CPU execution. > We have over 1000 monitors, and the monthly cost to run them would be $150. > While on fly we only have 6 servers with 2vcpu/512Mb It cost us $23.34 monthly ($3.89*6). So edge functions are in no way cost-effective right? People using lambda functions are getting ripped off, they could just buy a couple of VPS.
Edge functions are cost effective, the problem is that they are comparing from Vercel. Vercel is basically a dev friendly wrapper for tier 1 services: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35774730 Eg. Vercel is 25x more expensive than eg. Cloudflare Workers. Raw guess would be that their 150$ bill would have become 6$. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37891412 Eg. Image resizing > Vercel : 5$ / 1000 requests > Cl…
Even coming from a backend-heavy world where one request does a lot of work, that's got to be an order of magnitude off the mark at least. If you go for a frontend-heavy setup where there are more smaller requests (in my experience, common, when using things like Lambda), this could be another order of magnitude off again!
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Vercel is great for pre-prod ethereal environments for testing and CI. But they desperately want to sell you their enterprise stack which is completely inadequate, and will drag their feet for months if you just want to sign the damn “pro” version.
Also, simple stuff like bandwidth is wildly overpriced with Vercel. My company switched away from all their magic image resizing stuff because as our traffic increased the bandwidth was 10x that of doing all media content through Prismic.
> Edge functions are cost-effective as you only pay for the actual CPU execution. > We have over 1000 monitors, and the monthly cost to run them would be $150. > While on fly we only have 6 servers with 2vcpu/512Mb It cost us $23.34 monthly ($3.89*6). So edge functions are in no way cost-effective right? People using lambda functions are getting ripped off, they could just buy a couple of VPS.
Edge functions are cost effective, the problem is that they are comparing from Vercel. Vercel is basically a dev friendly wrapper for tier 1 services: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35774730 Eg. Vercel is 25x more expensive than eg. Cloudflare Workers. Raw guess would be that their 150$ bill would have become 6$. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37891412 Eg. Image resizing > Vercel : 5$ / 1000 requests > Cl…
I find it interesting that people seem to be trading short term gains with long term reliability and maintenance costs. This glut of 0-friction deploy services lull people into a nice false sense of security. But in actuality you are wasting hours, days, weeks of time when they become unreliable, support is unresponsive, or something unexpected pops up. There is a huge advantage (outside of amateur, low importance pr…
It's better to have good architecture from the beginning, but I understand why people choose these platforms - they are saving a lot of time in the initial development, that helps them iterate quickly. What will happen next is that people spending time and resources to perform costly migrations, and some do this more that once.
I really don’t understand how people can trust platforms like Vercel, Fly.io over robust could providers like Cloudflare, AWS or Azure. I mean, Vercel has its usefulness, it’s so well integrated with the NextJS stack, it totally makes sense for small amateurish projects since it saves you time and money… but once you want to push to production, have real customers and satisfy them reliably, these platforms can’t comp…
Anecdotal, sure, but it'd be hard to quantify it.