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Re: 12ft.io has been banned by Vercel

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

cldellow wrote: post #11
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I absolute believe that Vercel does not like to host it and they have the freedom to restrict the service. But I _am_ curious which term of the TOS it violated.

Vercel's terms are at https://vercel.com/legal/terms . A handful of possible violations from section 6, Acceptable Use: - The Services may only be used for lawful purposes. - You shall not attempt to undermine the security or integrity of computing systems or networks of Vercel, its partners, or any other person, and must not attempt to gain unauthorized access. - You may not use the services or Vercel's infrastructu…

> You may not use the services or Vercel's infrastructure for proxying, scraping

I think that's pretty clear cut then.

Re: 12ft.io has been banned by Vercel

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Post by Kwpolska »

Mandatum wrote: post #9

Sounds like it’s resolved. Author just got angry after getting back from holiday, and seeing their access to every site they own is cut. Which is reasonable given it seems Vercel doesn’t have site level granularity of restricting access. Which is worrisome. What other level of granularity are they missing? Do I need to worry about security and access controls?

It's probably not a technical issue with granularity. Vercel probably decided they don't want to do business with someone who broke their ToS and nuked the entire account.

Re: 12ft.io has been banned by Vercel

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Post by benatkin »

notfried wrote: post #20

Tangential, but I quite like the error page. Informative, concise and avoids any confusion as to what is going on. > This Deployment has been disabled. > Your connection is working correctly. > Vercel is working correctly. > If you are a visitor, contact the website owner or try again later. > If you are the owner, please contact support.

I prefer Heroku's, at least for its own subdomains: https://muchwow.herokuapp.com/

Compare to: https://muchwow.vercel.app/

That information isn't actually useful, especially the ID

Of course there are others, it would make for a good blog post. Maybe throw ChatGPT with plugins and https://publicsuffix.org/ on it.

Re: 12ft.io has been banned by Vercel

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Post by cldellow »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #21
cldellow wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vercel's terms are at https://vercel.com/legal/terms . A handful of possible violations from section 6, Acceptable Use: - The Services may only be used for lawful purposes. - You shall not attempt to undermine the security or integrity of computing systems or networks of Vercel, its partners, or any other person, and must not attempt to gain unauthorized access. - You may not use the services or Vercel's infrastructu…

> You may not use the services or Vercel's infrastructure for proxying, scraping I think that's pretty clear cut then.

Looking at archive.org, I think this was only added in their most recent May 1, 2023 TOS update.

He might be the reason it now exists in the TOS. :)

Re: 12ft.io has been banned by Vercel

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Post by Mandatum »

I wonder if this is the first time the author has heard from Vercel.

I suspect Vercel never wanted to host this persons content given the amount of legal requests they likely had to deal with.

It probably would have been better business from Vercel to reach out and say, “Hey, it costs us too much money in legal fees dealing with your content. We’re not Amazon. Can you move somewhere else?”

Asking the question and not waiting until it’s too late to deal with it would have been the way to go.

Vercel has known about this site for a long time. Seems a weird way to deal with it, and tells me that their CS team don’t do much proactive support.

Re: 12ft.io has been banned by Vercel

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Post by bdcravens »

> But tbf I get it if you want to be an opinionated hosting provider and not host 12ft. No worries here, just restore my other projects and give me my domains back and we chill

Why would you want to continue to do business with them? Unless of course you built your site in such a way that they are your only (practical) hosting option, which seems like a bad approach no matter apps you're building.

Re: 12ft.io has been banned by Vercel

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Post by SahAssar »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #14
ForkMeOnTinder wrote: post #12

> Worst yet, they took down all my projects and confiscated all my domains Never put all your eggs in one basket. Keep your domains at one company. Your DNS with another. Hosting, a third. If you have activist-type projects that might attract the attention of powerful people or companies, keep those segregated from your more banal projects in their own isolated accounts. It sucks seeing people learn this the hard way…

> Keep your domains at one company. Your DNS with another. Hosting, a third. This just means that there are three companies that can shut you down.

Domains and hosting are usually seen very differently. Your domain is a lot closer to property, while the hosting is commonly shut down anytime it is seen as inconvenient by the provider.

If you combine them on the same provider you risk loosing access to the former because you lost the latter, the providers that host all the services also tend to have blurred lines between disabling one service and disabling your whole account.

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