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Re: MenuetOS: An entire operating system in x86_64 assembly

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Post by amusingimpala75 »

Dalewyn wrote: post #19
larvaetron wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see anything "kinda weird" about that.

It is weird to anyone who didn't grow up being told to not cite Wikipedia as a source of information in any authoritative capacity, being told to instead dig for and cite the original source instead which a tool like Internet Archive is useful for. Culture shock stemming from a generation gap, I guess. (Obviously this distinction is not important for most comments here on Hacker News which are just written in passing…

Wikipedia may not be a citable source itself, but it can still be a good place to find links to other sources more reputable.

Re: MenuetOS: An entire operating system in x86_64 assembly

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #3

2009 might be earliest HN commentary, but MenuetOS dates back to at least 2005 according to the Internet Archive. https://web.archive.org/web/20051215234548if_/http://www.co.... https://web.archive.org/web/20051030022655if_/http://www.men...

Here's a Windows installer for MenuetOS from 2001.

https://web.archive.org/web/20011122052147if_/http://www.ddj...

https://ftp.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/toc/dr-dobbs-2000.html

Re: MenuetOS: An entire operating system in x86_64 assembly

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Post by ezst »

Dalewyn wrote: post #19
larvaetron wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see anything "kinda weird" about that.

It is weird to anyone who didn't grow up being told to not cite Wikipedia as a source of information in any authoritative capacity, being told to instead dig for and cite the original source instead which a tool like Internet Archive is useful for. Culture shock stemming from a generation gap, I guess. (Obviously this distinction is not important for most comments here on Hacker News which are just written in passing…

I disagree with the sentiment, the IA is a very useful source, but, as shown here, it provided the wrong answer. In general, you can't trust it to tell "how old is something", only to show that it is "older than".

Re: MenuetOS: An entire operating system in x86_64 assembly

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Post by xvilka »

weikju wrote: post #11
frankjr wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Menuet64 is closed source because M32 was forked and new copyrights just slapped at the beginning of practically all 32bit source files (multitasking, drivers, GUI, networking..) without any permission. You can take a guess about the country in question. https://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=22194

> You can take a guess about the country in question. For the curious, it appears to have been done by people in Russia (state-sponsored or not is unclear)

It would be ridiculous for a state to sponsor a toy OS. I think it's absurd.

Re: MenuetOS: An entire operating system in x86_64 assembly

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Post by jchw »

ezst wrote: post #23
Dalewyn wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is weird to anyone who didn't grow up being told to not cite Wikipedia as a source of information in any authoritative capacity, being told to instead dig for and cite the original source instead which a tool like Internet Archive is useful for. Culture shock stemming from a generation gap, I guess. (Obviously this distinction is not important for most comments here on Hacker News which are just written in passing…

I disagree with the sentiment, the IA is a very useful source, but, as shown here, it provided the wrong answer. In general, you can't trust it to tell "how old is something", only to show that it is "older than".

"Since at least 2005" is not a wrong answer. It's imprecise, but perfectly accurate. And since there is no oracle of absolute truth to consult, it's not like it's wrong to seek out empirical answers like this, it's just one fairly general approach to find a new upper bound. Of course, in this case there is a better answer, but still, there's nothing weird or wrong about the approach.

Re: MenuetOS: An entire operating system in x86_64 assembly

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Post by Dalewyn »

ezst wrote: post #23
Dalewyn wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is weird to anyone who didn't grow up being told to not cite Wikipedia as a source of information in any authoritative capacity, being told to instead dig for and cite the original source instead which a tool like Internet Archive is useful for. Culture shock stemming from a generation gap, I guess. (Obviously this distinction is not important for most comments here on Hacker News which are just written in passing…

I disagree with the sentiment, the IA is a very useful source, but, as shown here, it provided the wrong answer. In general, you can't trust it to tell "how old is something", only to show that it is "older than".

I am not commenting on the accuracy or value of the information provided by Internet Archive, I am speaking concerning the phenomenon that not citing Wikipedia is "weird".

Re: MenuetOS: An entire operating system in x86_64 assembly

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Post by up2isomorphism »

mike_hock wrote: post #12
frankjr wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Menuet64 is closed source because M32 was forked and new copyrights just slapped at the beginning of practically all 32bit source files (multitasking, drivers, GUI, networking..) without any permission. You can take a guess about the country in question. https://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=22194

How does that make sense? That has always been and will always be possible with any open source project. Should every other project go closed source too just because Russia can fork it and say "I made this"?

It makes sense that the fact you are making a big deal of it while you didn’t get to say anything about apple macos since it was never open source in the first place.

Re: MenuetOS: An entire operating system in x86_64 assembly

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Post by smabie »

jchw wrote: post #25
ezst wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree with the sentiment, the IA is a very useful source, but, as shown here, it provided the wrong answer. In general, you can't trust it to tell "how old is something", only to show that it is "older than".

"Since at least 2005" is not a wrong answer. It's imprecise, but perfectly accurate. And since there is no oracle of absolute truth to consult, it's not like it's wrong to seek out empirical answers like this, it's just one fairly general approach to find a new upper bound. Of course, in this case there is a better answer, but still, there's nothing weird or wrong about the approach.

I mean.. it took more work and produced a sub-optimal answer?
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