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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by kossTKR » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 11:44 AM UTC

refaelv wrote: post #12

Well, if you support Hamas after they butchered civilians, yes you'r supporting terrorism.

First of i doubt he's done that.

Second, the Israeli military has killed much, much more people, including thousands of civilians, kids and mothers over a half a century.

There are countless of videos and reports of rich settlers, harassing, stealing property and straight up killing regular palestinian farmers and families just living in their houses.

And third. Israel has actively supported Hamas to destroy moderate opposition like the PLO - the good old divide and conquer strategy.

So unless you also want to detain supporters of Israel this doesn't really make sense.

And no, you shouldn't detain them either like this.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by bilekas » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 11:44 AM UTC

> I had no right to remain silent. I had to give full and accurate information in response to questions. It was a criminal offence to withhold any relevant information.

This is the one that bothers me the most to be honest, how is this possible ?

Couldn't one just claim they don't remember constantly, as it seems there is no 'probable cause' or even any traditional 'evidence'.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by swader999 » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 11:44 AM UTC

If you travel a lot it makes sense to have a basic virgin phone and laptop hooked up to minimal accounts.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by alistairSH » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 11:45 AM UTC

refaelv wrote: post #12

Well, if you support Hamas after they butchered civilians, yes you'r supporting terrorism.

Has the author done that? Hamas may be the ruling party, but there aren’t elections, so the people don’t have a choice. It’s further confused by the fact that Hamas is the government, so they also provide aid, run schools and hospitals, etc.

Point being, there’s far more nuance to the whole situation than “Palestine bad.”

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by londons_explore » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 11:45 AM UTC

fullarr wrote: post #11

kypro wrote: post #4

> I was detained under Section 7 of the Terrorism Act > I was not arrested but detained, and therefore had no right to a lawyer. > I had no right to remain silent. I had to give full and accurate information in response to questions. It was a criminal offence to withhold any relevant information. > I had to give up any passwords to my devices. It was a criminal offence not to do this. This is what I find so terrifyin…

Just an FYI Law enforcement is basically allowed to lie to you Most of those claims were BS but you have to call their bluff to find out. He didn't have to answer questions or give them passwords, and they will always tell you that you have to Edit: "allowed to" as in there's no consequences because of how difficult it is to prosecute them. It's intentionally ignored

> He didn't have to answer questions or give them passwords

Section 49 of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 requires that if you know the information required and refuse to provide it, you can be sentenced to a maximum of 2 years imprisonment.

However, the notice must be given properly in writing.

So, while these officers perhaps were deceitful in asking verbally for passwords rather than giving a written notice, the meaning of what they were saying was still correct - there is a legal requirement to hand over passwords.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by gerikson » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 11:46 AM UTC

jasonjayr wrote: post #16

fullarr wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just an FYI Law enforcement is basically allowed to lie to you Most of those claims were BS but you have to call their bluff to find out. He didn't have to answer questions or give them passwords, and they will always tell you that you have to Edit: "allowed to" as in there's no consequences because of how difficult it is to prosecute them. It's intentionally ignored

Is the "detained without a lawyer" thing actually true in the UK? It was my understanding in the US, that's a pretty concrete feature, and law enforcement can't actually compel you to do anything without a trip through the courts.

My understanding is that Schedule 7 applies at points of entry to the UK, where you have limited rights even as a citizen.

Edit more info from the Scottish police (the institution in question):

https://www.scotland.police.uk/about-us/how-we-do-it/schedul...

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by swader999 » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 11:46 AM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #10

I'd love to donate money to him and help but I live in the UK and don't want to be accused of supporting terrorism or some other nonsense. It's an idiotic situation to be in as a society.

And keep voting the same way year after year.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by skrebbel » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 11:47 AM UTC

fullarr wrote: post #11

kypro wrote: post #4

> I was detained under Section 7 of the Terrorism Act > I was not arrested but detained, and therefore had no right to a lawyer. > I had no right to remain silent. I had to give full and accurate information in response to questions. It was a criminal offence to withhold any relevant information. > I had to give up any passwords to my devices. It was a criminal offence not to do this. This is what I find so terrifyin…

Just an FYI Law enforcement is basically allowed to lie to you Most of those claims were BS but you have to call their bluff to find out. He didn't have to answer questions or give them passwords, and they will always tell you that you have to Edit: "allowed to" as in there's no consequences because of how difficult it is to prosecute them. It's intentionally ignored

> Law enforcement is basically allowed to lie to you

Is this pretty universal or is it an American thing?

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by hef19898 » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 11:47 AM UTC

logicchains wrote: post #15

refaelv wrote: post #12

Well, if you support Hamas after they butchered civilians, yes you'r supporting terrorism.

>Well, if you support Hamas after they butchered civilians Numerically speaking the IDF have killed a lot more civilians than Hamas. As have the US for that matter, literally hundreds of thousands of civilians killed in Iraq.

And pointing out the dire straights of Palestinians is different from supporting Hamas. The same way critizing Israel as a nation not the same thing as being anti-semitic.

The whole Western media and political landscape somewhat fails to appreciate that small, but incredibly important difference lately. Heck, I am even getting Youtube propagan... I mean ads from the Israeli ministry of defence. But as the saying goes "One death is a tragedy, thousands are a statistic".

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by fullarr » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 11:48 AM UTC

jasonjayr wrote: post #16

fullarr wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just an FYI Law enforcement is basically allowed to lie to you Most of those claims were BS but you have to call their bluff to find out. He didn't have to answer questions or give them passwords, and they will always tell you that you have to Edit: "allowed to" as in there's no consequences because of how difficult it is to prosecute them. It's intentionally ignored

Is the "detained without a lawyer" thing actually true in the UK? It was my understanding in the US, that's a pretty concrete feature, and law enforcement can't actually compel you to do anything without a trip through the courts.

Google Chicago PD blacksites

It's a feature they aren't afraid of ignoring