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Re: Replit permanently moves to paid hosting after 7 years of free service

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post #16

Rent a $5/mo Linux VPS and be happy. I think more people should do this because what you learn (and you'll learn a lot) is the foundation of everything else. Do this even if you are a programmer used to deploying to sophisitcated CI/CD stacks and k8s. The tight resource constraints (e.g. 1G RAM) are good for you - they make you think, and take care what you run and when you run it. Learn to setup ssh on both ends; le…

Do you have a link to this 5 dollar service you mention? The ones I knew have risen prices considerably.

linode has a $5/mo plan

Re: Replit permanently moves to paid hosting after 7 years of free service

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post #16

Rent a $5/mo Linux VPS and be happy. I think more people should do this because what you learn (and you'll learn a lot) is the foundation of everything else. Do this even if you are a programmer used to deploying to sophisitcated CI/CD stacks and k8s. The tight resource constraints (e.g. 1G RAM) are good for you - they make you think, and take care what you run and when you run it. Learn to setup ssh on both ends; le…

Do you have a link to this 5 dollar service you mention? The ones I knew have risen prices considerably.

I do:

https://www.vultr.com/pricing/

Re: Replit permanently moves to paid hosting after 7 years of free service

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post #16

Rent a $5/mo Linux VPS and be happy. I think more people should do this because what you learn (and you'll learn a lot) is the foundation of everything else. Do this even if you are a programmer used to deploying to sophisitcated CI/CD stacks and k8s. The tight resource constraints (e.g. 1G RAM) are good for you - they make you think, and take care what you run and when you run it. Learn to setup ssh on both ends; le…

Do you have a link to this 5 dollar service you mention? The ones I knew have risen prices considerably.

- https://www.linode.com/pricing/#compute-shared

- https://www.vultr.com/products/cloud-compute/

- https://www.digitalocean.com/pricing/droplets

Re: Replit permanently moves to paid hosting after 7 years of free service

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post #7

I get that losing access to things you got used to sucks. At the same time, IMO, this post comes across quite entitled and whiny. Nobody owes you anything, specially not free hosting and/or server time forever. That stuff isn’t cheap and isn’t easy to manage, and they’re paying people and infra on what I imagine isn’t a great return. So, free users are sad because it’s not the free they want it to be, except the free…

“Free” is never, ever free and it blows my mind that people still don’t get this.

Like, it’s understandable that you get a little burned the first time it happens, but then you’ve learned that this is how it all works. “Free” in a SAAS context has always and will always mean “no need to pay us until we decide otherwise, end of negotiation.”

Every time I look at a free account for some product now, I ask myself if I’m willing to pay for it at some point. If the answer is “no”, then sometimes I just don’t even do it.

People can’t even be bothered to think critically about the product situations they put themselves, and I’m sure these people are intelligent in many other aspects of their lives, but this is such a simple concept that I don’t understand how people, especially tech professionals, struggle with.

Re: Replit permanently moves to paid hosting after 7 years of free service

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post #7

I get that losing access to things you got used to sucks. At the same time, IMO, this post comes across quite entitled and whiny. Nobody owes you anything, specially not free hosting and/or server time forever. That stuff isn’t cheap and isn’t easy to manage, and they’re paying people and infra on what I imagine isn’t a great return. So, free users are sad because it’s not the free they want it to be, except the free…

As someone who has done the technical work of converting a product with a free-tier to a paid product, I mostly agree. I think the problem mostly stems from the transition being inherently painful to a lot of users - it’s not really reasonable IMO for them to expect hosted software to be free forever but it’s definitely frustrating for them to transition off of it if they can’t or won’t pay for some reason.

In my particular case there were a few pain points where I couldn’t help but sympathize with the complainers. For starters, they’re still subject to all the problems stemming from vendor lock-in, so migrating away may require not just a lift and shift but a partial or total rewrite. Another common problem is that they wrote some software for eg a for-fun website or side project a long time ago and don’t check up on it often - they may not even use or have access to the email and other contact info you have at your disposal to tell them that their stuff will break if they don’t pay by a certain date. So a lot of people don’t know about the change until their stuff breaks or they check in one some old project and find it broken or gone.

This was less of a problem for me than it probably is for Replit, but students are particularly impacted because they usually have little money relative to their investment or interest in the thing. Students under 18 without any credit or debit card may not even have any way to pay at all. And also they are still figuring out how things work so they don’t necessarily understand without being told that eg free tiers are primarily meant make it easy for people to try the software before paying for it (the company doesn’t want you to use it forever without paying), subject to a lot of annoying things like abuse, and just generally require a decent amount of operational maintenance to keep running. And of course they haven’t had corporate communication styles beaten into their brains so they’re pretty rude about expressing their discontent.

Basically, I think it’s wrong to feel entitled to receiving a free thing that obviously costs someone money to provide for forever, and that you should just pay for it if it adds value and is reasonably priced. But it’s also inherently frustrating to be on the receiving end of these changes, so grumbling and discontent are only natural.

Re: Replit permanently moves to paid hosting after 7 years of free service

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a link to this 5 dollar service you mention? The ones I knew have risen prices considerably.

- https://www.linode.com/pricing/#compute-shared - https://www.vultr.com/products/cloud-compute/ - https://www.digitalocean.com/pricing/droplets

also, https://aws.amazon.com/lightsail/pricing/#Virtual_servers

lots of hosting providers with cheap options these days.

Re: Replit permanently moves to paid hosting after 7 years of free service

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Rent a $5/mo Linux VPS and be happy. I think more people should do this because what you learn (and you'll learn a lot) is the foundation of everything else. Do this even if you are a programmer used to deploying to sophisitcated CI/CD stacks and k8s. The tight resource constraints (e.g. 1G RAM) are good for you - they make you think, and take care what you run and when you run it. Learn to setup ssh on both ends; le…

I went this route and got taken over by hackers multiples times. It was very worth it. I got taken over by hackers because my password for ssh was "mars". Me and my little brother were sharing it and wanted an easy password (yeah we have ssh keys now).

Anyways, we both learnt a lot (htop tmux etc) . I'm always jealous that he got to learn everything earlier than me. But if he's not better than me then I consider myself a failure wrt being an older brother.

The only drawback is that this doesn't work if you want to do ai stuff. For those use cases I rent a machine on paper space for a cheap hourly rate.

Re: Replit permanently moves to paid hosting after 7 years of free service

#28
I’ve been paying for Replit for quite some time, for a tiny Mastodon bot that makes three posts once daily. The price went up considerably with their last pricing change (about 4x IIRC), but fine, I bought a bunch more cycles and left it there, even though it would have cost me half as much to move to DigitalOcean. I didn’t want to take the time to fiddle with it, and I don’t mind paying for services I use. Now not only are they changing the price, they’re making me figure out some new feature just so I can keep this tiny little not-even-a-real-website running. I’m assuming the point was to get rid of little projects like mine, and I understand—enterprise is where the money is, and everyone knows it—but I’m kind of annoyed there’s no price I can pay to just leave the thing running as is. I’ll move it to my DigitalOcean droplet, and I’ll save money on it, but I’ll lose an evening or weekend day futzing with something that I put on Replit precisely because it’s a hobby project I didn’t want to spend time futzing with.

Re: Replit permanently moves to paid hosting after 7 years of free service

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post #28

I’ve been paying for Replit for quite some time, for a tiny Mastodon bot that makes three posts once daily. The price went up considerably with their last pricing change (about 4x IIRC), but fine, I bought a bunch more cycles and left it there, even though it would have cost me half as much to move to DigitalOcean. I didn’t want to take the time to fiddle with it, and I don’t mind paying for services I use. Now not o…

Disclaimer: I work at Replit.

We recently added autoscale (scale-to-zero) & static deployments to our plans. It should be pretty easy for you to host simple sites if you're a sub. Hacker starts at $7/mo. Can read more at replit.com/site/deployments.

Alternatively, you can also just add a card and pay for autoscale overages directly.

Re: Replit permanently moves to paid hosting after 7 years of free service

#30
post #28

I’ve been paying for Replit for quite some time, for a tiny Mastodon bot that makes three posts once daily. The price went up considerably with their last pricing change (about 4x IIRC), but fine, I bought a bunch more cycles and left it there, even though it would have cost me half as much to move to DigitalOcean. I didn’t want to take the time to fiddle with it, and I don’t mind paying for services I use. Now not o…

Disclaimer: I work at Replit. We recently added autoscale (scale-to-zero) & static deployments to our plans. It should be pretty easy for you to host simple sites if you're a sub. Hacker starts at $7/mo. Can read more at replit.com/site/deployments. Alternatively, you can also just add a card and pay for autoscale overages directly.

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