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FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Post by edmundsauto »

falcolas wrote: post #18
pyuser583 wrote: post #11

Did any of the bad effects of not having net neutrality actually occur when it was gone? Did ISPs throttle competition? I haven’t seen any reports of this happening. I haven’t seen any studies showing this happening systematically. I’m woefully uninformed, so I really would like to hear more about this. What has been happening these past few years?

There have been many reports of ISPs overwriting ads and adding content to non-https content. Also bundled content on mobile providers not counting against caps, etc. Many also lie on speedtests, though I don't know if that counts.

How do they lie on speed tests? I thought that measured actual data throughput.

Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Post by 404mm »

edmundsauto wrote: post #21
falcolas wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been many reports of ISPs overwriting ads and adding content to non-https content. Also bundled content on mobile providers not counting against caps, etc. Many also lie on speedtests, though I don't know if that counts.

How do they lie on speed tests? I thought that measured actual data throughput.

I assume they can prioritize speed test traffic. The Volkswagen method.

Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Post by lotsofpulp »

pyuser583 wrote: post #16
malfist wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you upgrade your cell phone plan so you could have 1080p video on YouTube? That's an example of non-neutral net

No, I did not. My cell data plan has never preferred one bit over the other.

If you are in the US, there is always a ranking of bits on a mobile network. Perhaps not by your plan specifically, but by the network operator.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoContract/comments/tn4733/qci_leve...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QoS_Class_Identifier

Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Post by calgarymicro »

pyuser583 wrote: post #11

Did any of the bad effects of not having net neutrality actually occur when it was gone? Did ISPs throttle competition? I haven’t seen any reports of this happening. I haven’t seen any studies showing this happening systematically. I’m woefully uninformed, so I really would like to hear more about this. What has been happening these past few years?

Worth noting that California's net neutrality law[0] probably stymied most efforts by ISPs to start prioritizing traffic nationwide.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Internet_Consumer_P...

Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Post by etrautmann »

edmundsauto wrote: post #21
falcolas wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been many reports of ISPs overwriting ads and adding content to non-https content. Also bundled content on mobile providers not counting against caps, etc. Many also lie on speedtests, though I don't know if that counts.

How do they lie on speed tests? I thought that measured actual data throughput.

Presumably, an ISP might detect if a test was being run and unthrottle data speeds for the test, analogous to the Volkswagon emission testing scandal.

edit: strange to post this and find a second post with exactly the same two points submitted while writing. I guess my thoughts aren't that special

Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Post by throwawayqqq11 »

xwdv wrote: post #20
pyuser583 wrote: post #11

Did any of the bad effects of not having net neutrality actually occur when it was gone? Did ISPs throttle competition? I haven’t seen any reports of this happening. I haven’t seen any studies showing this happening systematically. I’m woefully uninformed, so I really would like to hear more about this. What has been happening these past few years?

No. It was a nothingburger.

Any financial lever will get pulled, its just a question of the right enshitifiers in charge, so just a matter of time. Expecting anything else is naive imo.

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Post by mmanfrin »

pyuser583 wrote: post #16
malfist wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you upgrade your cell phone plan so you could have 1080p video on YouTube? That's an example of non-neutral net

No, I did not. My cell data plan has never preferred one bit over the other.

Every major plan I've seen has traffic shaping or throttling for streaming, even Google Fi itself for Youtube, their own property.

Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Post by KETHERCORTEX »

edmundsauto wrote: post #21
falcolas wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been many reports of ISPs overwriting ads and adding content to non-https content. Also bundled content on mobile providers not counting against caps, etc. Many also lie on speedtests, though I don't know if that counts.

How do they lie on speed tests? I thought that measured actual data throughput.

Simplest way to do this: good speed on Speedtest, rubbish everywhere else.

Also, by default Speedtest tests the connection from you to the nearest testing node. A lot of times it's the one hosted by your ISP, so the measured speed is the speed inside the ISP's local network and not the speed from you to outer Internet.

Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Post by falcolas »

404mm wrote: post #22
edmundsauto wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do they lie on speed tests? I thought that measured actual data throughput.

I assume they can prioritize speed test traffic. The Volkswagen method.

Yes, exactly this.

Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Post by Longlius »

mmanfrin wrote: post #27
pyuser583 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I did not. My cell data plan has never preferred one bit over the other.

Every major plan I've seen has traffic shaping or throttling for streaming, even Google Fi itself for Youtube, their own property.

That's because Google doesn't own the Google Fi infrastructure. They use T-Mobile's.
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