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X begins charging new users $1 a year in New Zealand, Philippines

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Re: X begins charging new users $1 a year in New Zealand, Philippines

#21
This has nothing to do with bots.

It's all about getting everyone to provide their credit card details for future revenue streams eg. micro-transactions.

And also to give them a competitive advantage in the ad space e.g. allowing companies to target you based on your real life identity.

Re: X begins charging new users $1 a year in New Zealand, Philippines

#22
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I worry that this may paradoxically increase bots, because now the price of legitimacy is $1 per year. Bot farms and shills will do the math.

However, the rate-limiting factor might not be the cost, but the availability of unique credit card details.

Re: X begins charging new users $1 a year in New Zealand, Philippines

#23
post #16
post #4

I worry that this may paradoxically increase bots, because now the price of legitimacy is $1 per year. Bot farms and shills will do the math.

It’s not the $1, it’s the identity linked to the charge. So now they can be blocked as well as traced back to the funding account. I once was in a charity sponsored therapy group and they had a $10 fee. I was annoyed as this was a pretty wealthy organization and the fee seemed discriminatory, or at least a hassle. I learned that it was just there to validate each participant. So I think this is just a filter to help…

If X or Twitter or whatever accept payments via Apple Pay or Google Pay then there is absolutely no way to track anything. It's those services simply dont provide any information back to ex-Twitter.

Also there is number of services like privacy.com that allow to hide real card details. And even if person is using real card then payment process have absolutely no way of knowing anything except those few last numbers of the card.

Bypassing credit card checks for botting as easy as any other protections.

Re: X begins charging new users $1 a year in New Zealand, Philippines

#25
post #16
post #4

I worry that this may paradoxically increase bots, because now the price of legitimacy is $1 per year. Bot farms and shills will do the math.

It’s not the $1, it’s the identity linked to the charge. So now they can be blocked as well as traced back to the funding account. I once was in a charity sponsored therapy group and they had a $10 fee. I was annoyed as this was a pretty wealthy organization and the fee seemed discriminatory, or at least a hassle. I learned that it was just there to validate each participant. So I think this is just a filter to help…

Hope the bots don't discover stolen credit cards

Re: X begins charging new users $1 a year in New Zealand, Philippines

#26
They charge for "the ability to tweet, retweet, like posts and reply to posts."

It will be very interesting to see how this turns out.

Obviously, there is no value in the ability to publish your thoughts. You can do that for free on an ever growing number of platforms. But Musk seems to bet on a private attention economy. Where even private individuals are willing to pay for attention. Not only businesses.

Has this been tried before, or is this a first?

Re: X begins charging new users $1 a year in New Zealand, Philippines

#27

Ah yes, lets trust Elon Musk with your credit card info. What a joke.

People buy Tesla cars online.

It's been widely reported that many of the senior management at Tesla/SpaceX had to run interference to keep Musk away from day to day operations.

X/Twitter is Musk unchained.

Re: X begins charging new users $1 a year in New Zealand, Philippines

#29

I don't believe this will work out well. Many bots will come, as long as they make a >$1/year profit, which I believe most of them do.

I think you need millions of bots and the marginal return on spammers may be thousands of a cent. So even $1/year may be too much for botnets.

Imagine a botnot and if each node cost the operator $1. The economics require near zero marginal costs to ddos or spam or whatever.

It seems to cost $10-20 to buy 1,000 followers [0] so I expect lots of those accounts get turned over frequently.

It will be interesting to see if this has any effect.

[0] https://www.socialchamp.io/blog/buy-instagram-followers/

Re: X begins charging new users $1 a year in New Zealand, Philippines

#30
post #16
post #4

I worry that this may paradoxically increase bots, because now the price of legitimacy is $1 per year. Bot farms and shills will do the math.

It’s not the $1, it’s the identity linked to the charge. So now they can be blocked as well as traced back to the funding account. I once was in a charity sponsored therapy group and they had a $10 fee. I was annoyed as this was a pretty wealthy organization and the fee seemed discriminatory, or at least a hassle. I learned that it was just there to validate each participant. So I think this is just a filter to help…

The backlash is funny. USPS does the same thing for mail forwarding to verify identity and legitimacy. It’s not like this is some crazy money-making idea from Elon.
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