Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B • Hacker News Board

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by declan_roberts » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 9:26 PM UTC

ghusto wrote: post #6

Am I crazy, or are we jumping from 4 to 5 whilst ignoring the fact that most of us still can't get hold of 4 due to the supply chain issues?

It's a lot better in the last few months. If you're still looking for an RPI 4 then sign up on a waitlist at place like adafruit and you'll get one soon.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by LispSporks22 » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 9:26 PM UTC

baz00 wrote: post #3

They're all shit. Get a Lenovo mini PC off eBay and stick Debian on it. I replaced my shitty Pi with a Lenovo M600. If you want a dependable computer, stay away from pseudo-embedded hardware.

I like this idea, but what do you do for GPIO (and SPI, I2C etc.)?

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by naikrovek » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 9:26 PM UTC

baz00 wrote: post #3

They're all shit. Get a Lenovo mini PC off eBay and stick Debian on it. I replaced my shitty Pi with a Lenovo M600. If you want a dependable computer, stay away from pseudo-embedded hardware.

do you have strong opinions on the matter? geez

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by coffeeri » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 9:27 PM UTC

auspiv wrote: post #10

Geez for the prices listed in the article (153 EUR and 301 EUR), get a TMM (tiny mini micro - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimic... ) computer. These are the SFF/USFF off-lease older enterprise computers like Dell Optiplex. Note that ServeTheHome.com does power consumption for every model it reviews. These ~1L sized computers idle in the 7-13W range. Even with EU electricity prices, it would…

I've also compared many 1L PCs from a performance/price/power consumption perspective. I decided on the HP prodesk/ elitedesk 400/800 G5 with the i5-9500T. It idles at ~2-3W and has considerably more computing and storage than these embedded solutions. I only see something like a raspberry pi be handy when relying on GPIO ports.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by auspiv » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 9:28 PM UTC

doubleg72 wrote: post #13

auspiv wrote: post #10

Geez for the prices listed in the article (153 EUR and 301 EUR), get a TMM (tiny mini micro - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimic... ) computer. These are the SFF/USFF off-lease older enterprise computers like Dell Optiplex. Note that ServeTheHome.com does power consumption for every model it reviews. These ~1L sized computers idle in the 7-13W range. Even with EU electricity prices, it would…

Exactly, we scrap them after like 5 years at the hospital system I work in.

Yep, very standard to upgrade at end of the 5 year warranty period.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by chatmasta » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 9:29 PM UTC

Where do you buy an Orange Pi? When I was researching these devices I found it to be extremely weird/sketchy. These are three different websites all apparently from different companies:

- https://orangepi.com/

- https://orangepi.net/

- http://www.orangepi.org (note: https does not work)

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by Pxtl » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 9:29 PM UTC

The Pi 5 looks neat and I hear it's finally got a power button built-in, which was always the sorest point of the rpi series for me - the fact that it had no good story for safely idling was always absurd. The default configuration was "if you lose power there's a good chance the filesystem will be corrupt".

Still, does the new one do better beyond having an off-button? Like does it wake via USB properly? Does it have some way to safely recover the filesystem after power-loss?

Because that has always been the gigantic asterisk on the otherwise-cool RPI. "It's a ticking time-bomb until its memory gets corrupted, and if it crashes you have to roll the dice by power-cycling it" was never a good story. That and its unbearable prima-donna pickyness about voltage.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by auspiv » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 9:30 PM UTC

zalthor wrote: post #9

baz00 wrote: post #3

They're all shit. Get a Lenovo mini PC off eBay and stick Debian on it. I replaced my shitty Pi with a Lenovo M600. If you want a dependable computer, stay away from pseudo-embedded hardware.

What’s the power consumption on that? The biggest draw for these machines (to me at least), is how they seem to run on a 5w power source.

Try to run even a Pi 3 on 5W and let me know how it goes. You'll get undervolt warnings like crazy. Not sure if you looked at the article but these are the power adapters listed. These SBCs are not exactly low power anymore:

5V/5A (USB-C) 5V/4A (USB-C) 5V/5A (USB-C)

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by da768 » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 9:31 PM UTC

jLaForest wrote: post #7

baz00 wrote: post #3

They're all shit. Get a Lenovo mini PC off eBay and stick Debian on it. I replaced my shitty Pi with a Lenovo M600. If you want a dependable computer, stay away from pseudo-embedded hardware.

But that mini PC likely has as much as 10x the power draw... They are not interterchangable for lower power use cases

Depends, there are Celeron N systems in the <2W idle territory thanks to the smaller node process.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by arghwhat » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 9:32 PM UTC

auspiv wrote: post #10

Geez for the prices listed in the article (153 EUR and 301 EUR), get a TMM (tiny mini micro - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimic... ) computer. These are the SFF/USFF off-lease older enterprise computers like Dell Optiplex. Note that ServeTheHome.com does power consumption for every model it reviews. These ~1L sized computers idle in the 7-13W range. Even with EU electricity prices, it would…

To be fair, you also need to account for consumption when you make the machine do something. The TDPs for these machines are in the 25-35W range, and hitting 50W does not seem unreasonable. You of course won't be running that the entire time. The larger SFF machines with 65W TDPs will go way above that.

An orange pi 5 uses 7.5W under full load, 3.3W idle in comparison.