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Decline in independent activity as a cause of decline in child mental health

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Re: Decline in independent activity as a cause of decline in child mental health

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Post by b112 »

uoaei wrote: post #7
earthscienceman wrote: post #3

Wait. Does this pass for science in these fields, psychology and medicine? They summarize various statistics from prior papers as if they are trends across space and time (hello sample bias, are there papers that contradict their claims they are omitting because it doesn't fit their thesis?) and then make broad conclusions based on anecdotal evidence and sweeping theories. This should barely pass as a "kids these day…

You've evidently never heard of a meta-analysis.

In the real Foundation books, which the TV series barely resembles, this was part of the galactic empire's decline. With so many studies done, over tens of thousands of years, on millions of planets, each with hundreds of millions of people, there was an immense load of prior work. And meta-analysis was where all research ended up.

Just read a bunch of papers, summarize them, and write a new paper. Scientific research had devolved to the point, that no one knew how to do new research.

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Post by ohdannyboy »

Apocryphon wrote: post #14
ohdannyboy wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we just all agree it's the people and ideology we don't like messing everything up here? As long as we don't get more specific we can find some common ground.

The atomization of American society caused by the decline of church attendance, and the decline of unions.

Church I understand because they often function like a small-town community, but unions?

Maybe I'm missing something because I'm also not sure what your reply has to do with mine.

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Post by scaramanga »

btilly wrote: post #5

This is something that free range parenting advocates have been talking about for a long time. See https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/09/03/6412565... . For me one of the most compelling data points wasn't even a parenting reference. It was https://www.amazon.com/Millionaire-Next-Door-Surprising-Amer... . First published in the mid-1990s, the chapters on the children of millionaires found that the more su…

I'd love to read the papers cited there without having to buy that book.

I wonder if what is defined as "support" is actually, meddling, undermining, and pressurzing children into fulfilling the parents needs.

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Post by yomly »

scaramanga wrote: post #19
baron816 wrote: post #2

The Coddling of the American Mind is a good book on this topic https://www.thecoddling.com/ .

It's on a different topic. ie. That if people speak up for themselves, or they want to address unfairness or inequality in their society, it's because their parents hugged them when they cried as babies, instead of ignoring them, or whatever you're supposed to do to "toughen them up" (ie. turn them into terrified adults, washed up in middle age, who see any new youth movement as a life-threatening trend that must be…

What does ignoring babies when they cry have to do with them growing up to be terrified adults?

Re: Decline in independent activity as a cause of decline in child mental health

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Post by b112 »

Apocryphon wrote: post #18
b112 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every one I've ever seen. Most places I've seen, yes in the US, have bike paths, and houses are typically in a separate area from main thoroughfares. Why wouldn't a kid bike to a friend's house, or a local park?

Not all bike paths exist in quiet suburbs. Some exist along busy main roads, which make them dangerous even for adult riders.

That's not really a bike path, now is it? It's a painted lane on a road.

I've never been in a place where I had to take a "busy main road" to get around locally. Cross it sometimes, sure, which can be done at a light. This sort of highlights the problem. Over-protectiveness, by examining the worst that can happen, and the worst scenario.

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Post by Apocryphon »

ohdannyboy wrote: post #22
Apocryphon wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The atomization of American society caused by the decline of church attendance, and the decline of unions.

Church I understand because they often function like a small-town community, but unions? Maybe I'm missing something because I'm also not sure what your reply has to do with mine.

Robert Putnam discusses the decline of unions leading to disconnections in the workplace in Bowling Alone, chapter 5. Though certainly, the alienation between workers accompanies other forms of atomization in American society, and is more of yet another effect than a cause.

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Post by asveikau »

Apocryphon wrote: post #18
b112 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every one I've ever seen. Most places I've seen, yes in the US, have bike paths, and houses are typically in a separate area from main thoroughfares. Why wouldn't a kid bike to a friend's house, or a local park?

Not all bike paths exist in quiet suburbs. Some exist along busy main roads, which make them dangerous even for adult riders.

I suspect this depends on a North American centric definition of "busy main road" and "bike path".

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Post by caconym_ »

b112 wrote: post #21
uoaei wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've evidently never heard of a meta-analysis.

In the real Foundation books, which the TV series barely resembles, this was part of the galactic empire's decline. With so many studies done, over tens of thousands of years, on millions of planets, each with hundreds of millions of people, there was an immense load of prior work. And meta-analysis was where all research ended up. Just read a bunch of papers, summarize them, and write a new paper. Scientific researc…

Despite Asimov's opinion on the matter, it seems that in reality the meta-analysis is a useful tool for understanding the de facto scientific consensus on some topic beyond the scope of a single paper/study.

Re: Decline in independent activity as a cause of decline in child mental health

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Post by Geezus_42 »

b112 wrote: post #17
Apocryphon wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could bike, but how many neighborhoods are safely bikeable?

Every one I've ever seen. Most places I've seen, yes in the US, have bike paths, and houses are typically in a separate area from main thoroughfares. Why wouldn't a kid bike to a friend's house, or a local park?

Never seen a bike path in any neighborhood in the part of the US I live in. I'm sure they exist somewhere, but they are definitely not common. The are bike paths in downtown areas, but not in the suburbs.

Re: Decline in independent activity as a cause of decline in child mental health

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Post by Apocryphon »

yomly wrote: post #24
scaramanga wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's on a different topic. ie. That if people speak up for themselves, or they want to address unfairness or inequality in their society, it's because their parents hugged them when they cried as babies, instead of ignoring them, or whatever you're supposed to do to "toughen them up" (ie. turn them into terrified adults, washed up in middle age, who see any new youth movement as a life-threatening trend that must be…

What does ignoring babies when they cry have to do with them growing up to be terrified adults?

Supposed downsides to "crying it out"

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/moral-landscapes/201...

https://acamh.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jcpp....

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