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Hands-on: GNOME 3.4 arrives, introducing significant design changes

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Re: Hands-on: GNOME 3.4 arrives, introducing significant design changes

#22

I've been forcing myself to use GNOME-shell for the past few months, just to see if it was as bad as most people make it out to be, and I have to grudgingly admit that some of the design choices are elegant. For example, I find myself liking the activities overview more and more since it combines together functionalities that you'd have to access separately on other desktop environments, namely a keyboard based appli…

Another agree here, I really feel like its elastic workspaces and brain-dead simple "expose" are killer features that should be in every desktop environment. It's a shame so many people lump Unity and Gnome 3 together.

Re: Hands-on: GNOME 3.4 arrives, introducing significant design changes

#23

I've been forcing myself to use GNOME-shell for the past few months, just to see if it was as bad as most people make it out to be, and I have to grudgingly admit that some of the design choices are elegant. For example, I find myself liking the activities overview more and more since it combines together functionalities that you'd have to access separately on other desktop environments, namely a keyboard based appli…

I find there are a few killer extensions like https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/10/windownavigator/ and https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/60/overlay-icons/. The first one means you aren't forced to grab the mouse in overlay mode (which was my biggest complaint), the second means you have a chance in hell of recognizing what something is when you have more then around 4 windows open.

I like it too, but the big things for me (after stability issues) are

1) the notification area feels not well done. I am constantly triggering it when I don't want to, and I find it is a pain to trigger when I do want it.

2) the search function in overlay mode is really choppy, which is funny because I would consider this a solved problem in gnome (with gnome-do)

I think its a definite improvement over gnome 2, but it probably needs another 2-3 years of dev time before things are as polished as what you would expect nowadays.

Re: Hands-on: GNOME 3.4 arrives, introducing significant design changes

#24
post #22

I've been forcing myself to use GNOME-shell for the past few months, just to see if it was as bad as most people make it out to be, and I have to grudgingly admit that some of the design choices are elegant. For example, I find myself liking the activities overview more and more since it combines together functionalities that you'd have to access separately on other desktop environments, namely a keyboard based appli…

Another agree here, I really feel like its elastic workspaces and brain-dead simple "expose" are killer features that should be in every desktop environment. It's a shame so many people lump Unity and Gnome 3 together.

i hate unity with a burning passion, but gnome 3 is my favorite environment in linux right now :)

Re: Hands-on: GNOME 3.4 arrives, introducing significant design changes

#25
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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The window is the unit of focus (not apps), so I can rightly argue that switching focus should work on the unit of focus i.e. windows. Note that I'm not arguing against having an app concept or a "switch app" action. The problem is killing the "switch window" action.

Mac OS X is Cmd+Tab to switch apps and Cmd+` to switch windows.

gnome 3 works that way now too, it is one of my favorite changes :) (even though it gets the most hate)

Re: Hands-on: GNOME 3.4 arrives, introducing significant design changes

#26

At some point I'm going to have to get off of Gnome 2, not looking forward to it. Gnome 2 + Compiz + Gnome-Do completely and utterly rocks, particularly with a dual monitor setup. KDE was a bit of a mess last I checked. Some people are saying XFCE is maybe somewhat Gnome-2-ish?

I was in the same boat as you. I looked long and hard and realized that 1) KDE has truly magnificent window management and customizability and 2) the only environment comparable to Gnome 2 in resource footprint is XFCE.

I chose KDE but your requirements may vary. The cool part about linux is Live CDs/USB drives. It's not difficult to try out new things.

Re: Hands-on: GNOME 3.4 arrives, introducing significant design changes

#27
I think the title is misleading about the significant change of gnome. it still looks conservatively out of date.

open source applications generally have had a history of ugly user interfaces. the reason behind it has understandably been: well it's open source and free, we don't have the resources of microsoft and apple to get a topnotch designer.

it's competitor kde is no better. kde's look can best be described as mimicking windows ui done wrong.

these facelifts are not significant changes. it's time for a serious re-design.

Re: Hands-on: GNOME 3.4 arrives, introducing significant design changes

#28

1994 called, they'd like their directory icons back.

Yes. For how smart the shell looks, the windows and its contents look very bleak, sterile in the best of cases. I guess they aimed for neutrality there, but I can't say I dig the paper-polypropylene look.

Re: Hands-on: GNOME 3.4 arrives, introducing significant design changes

#29

At some point I'm going to have to get off of Gnome 2, not looking forward to it. Gnome 2 + Compiz + Gnome-Do completely and utterly rocks, particularly with a dual monitor setup. KDE was a bit of a mess last I checked. Some people are saying XFCE is maybe somewhat Gnome-2-ish?

Yes, you may want to try both xfce and lxde

Re: Hands-on: GNOME 3.4 arrives, introducing significant design changes

#30

I've been forcing myself to use GNOME-shell for the past few months, just to see if it was as bad as most people make it out to be, and I have to grudgingly admit that some of the design choices are elegant. For example, I find myself liking the activities overview more and more since it combines together functionalities that you'd have to access separately on other desktop environments, namely a keyboard based appli…

I find there are a few killer extensions like https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/10/windownavigator/ and https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/60/overlay-icons/ . The first one means you aren't forced to grab the mouse in overlay mode (which was my biggest complaint), the second means you have a chance in hell of recognizing what something is when you have more then around 4 windows open. I like it too, but the…

http://extensions.gnome.org is really the killer feature of Gnome-shell. Its really unfortunate that it is not publicised more.

I mean seamless installation and control of desktop extensions from the browser? awesome!

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