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Re: Show HN: Netflix for AI-Generated Videos

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Post by mhuffman »

tsunamifury wrote: post #11

I think this sort of proves out that video is a fair bit further away than just text-based reasoning becoming mass market. When you use just text the mind is able to interpolate away and/or fill in some of the uncanny parts. With video, it's just not possible -- the uncanny valley is novel at first, but boring in the long run. Video will have a much much higher bar to pass than text and I think it will take some time…

>Video will have a much much higher bar to pass than text and I think it will take some time still.

I am not so sure about that. The real hurdle at this point seems to be getting something like Dall-E to produce multiple angles and poses of a scene while maintaining characteristics of the elements in the scene. At that point it is an interpolation problem. I admit I am not an expert on these, but these do not seem insurmountable. I would not be surprised if we see something that can make very convincing short videos in less than a year. At that point, since a "short video" is really a scene, we are basically at film stage.

Re: Show HN: Netflix for AI-Generated Videos

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Post by cardosof »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #18
zoogeny wrote: post #16

I recall some controversy over AI generated kids YouTube channels. Some people here seem to assume the target market for this AI generated stuff is Hollywood blockbusters or AAA video games. But really, we're going to see an explosion of content made for toddlers. I'm imagining some kind of TikTok like algorithmic magic combined with this AI generated stuff is going to be a huge thing in the near future.

Can’t wait for that to happen with zero research into the long term effects that’ll have, but who gives a shit right, we can make money now and not give a fuck later.

It's not like that's something new or exclusive to tech, right? Coke had cocaine and cigarettes were physician tested and approved. We should have learned from those things but we didn't, and so history will rhyme.

Re: Show HN: Netflix for AI-Generated Videos

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Post by DoesntMatter22 »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #18
zoogeny wrote: post #16

I recall some controversy over AI generated kids YouTube channels. Some people here seem to assume the target market for this AI generated stuff is Hollywood blockbusters or AAA video games. But really, we're going to see an explosion of content made for toddlers. I'm imagining some kind of TikTok like algorithmic magic combined with this AI generated stuff is going to be a huge thing in the near future.

Can’t wait for that to happen with zero research into the long term effects that’ll have, but who gives a shit right, we can make money now and not give a fuck later.

What's the alternative? The government banning AI TV for 30 years until the long term studies are done?

Young kids already have access to the internet at a young age and that's screwing them up royally anyway

Re: Show HN: Netflix for AI-Generated Videos

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Post by r3trohack3r »

_chu1 wrote: post #17
r3trohack3r wrote: post #9

Most of the content production industry is not going to survive generative AI. You can produce your own hyper-customized content on-demand and communities can form around sharing that content. From video games, to text based adventures, to porn - I'd be surprised if humans are going to be competitive with generative AI for much longer. Personally, I enjoyed going back and playing the old Pokemon games for nostalgia.…

I will go out of my way to make sure I consume nothing generated by AI just to spite people like you. AI art and speech is dystopian and off-putting when you realize it's just some machine learning algorithm regurgitating some garbage it was fed before and has no sincere human work or attention to detail. It also steals the works of artists and writers to provide literally nothing of value, and AI bros will fight too…

> I will go out of my way to make sure I consume nothing generated by AI just to spite people like you.

I don't know you.

I don't interact with you.

I have no stake in what entertainment you consume.

Your decision does not impact me.

I feel no spite when you make these decisions.

Re: Show HN: Netflix for AI-Generated Videos

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Post by hbn »

zoogeny wrote: post #16

I recall some controversy over AI generated kids YouTube channels. Some people here seem to assume the target market for this AI generated stuff is Hollywood blockbusters or AAA video games. But really, we're going to see an explosion of content made for toddlers. I'm imagining some kind of TikTok like algorithmic magic combined with this AI generated stuff is going to be a huge thing in the near future.

It kinda seemed like creating automatic garbage content-churning machines for children was already a solved problem and I'm not sure what new AI would add to it.

There were content farms pumping out "finger family" videos where the same video would be uploaded thousands of times but with a different JPEG swapped in so this video is "Spider-Man" and this video is "Joker" etc. And kids gobbled them up apparently. They'd sit there watching finger family videos on autoplay for hours.

Re: Show HN: Netflix for AI-Generated Videos

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Post by joshuahedlund »

mhuffman wrote: post #21
tsunamifury wrote: post #11

I think this sort of proves out that video is a fair bit further away than just text-based reasoning becoming mass market. When you use just text the mind is able to interpolate away and/or fill in some of the uncanny parts. With video, it's just not possible -- the uncanny valley is novel at first, but boring in the long run. Video will have a much much higher bar to pass than text and I think it will take some time…

>Video will have a much much higher bar to pass than text and I think it will take some time still. I am not so sure about that. The real hurdle at this point seems to be getting something like Dall-E to produce multiple angles and poses of a scene while maintaining characteristics of the elements in the scene. At that point it is an interpolation problem. I admit I am not an expert on these, but these do not seem in…

> At that point, since a "short video" is really a scene, we are basically at film stage.

But silent films, no? Or where are things at as far as generated audio that syncs to the video? (sound effects, dialogue, music - each of which will have its own challenges)

Re: Show HN: Netflix for AI-Generated Videos

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Post by r3trohack3r »

mjr00 wrote: post #12
r3trohack3r wrote: post #9

Most of the content production industry is not going to survive generative AI. You can produce your own hyper-customized content on-demand and communities can form around sharing that content. From video games, to text based adventures, to porn - I'd be surprised if humans are going to be competitive with generative AI for much longer. Personally, I enjoyed going back and playing the old Pokemon games for nostalgia.…

This just reads like poorly written fanfiction. While using generative AI to make your own self-insert fanfic is definitely a use case, I'm not really sure how this translates to the death of the entertainment industry.

> I'd be surprised if humans are going to be competitive with generative AI for much longer.

You're right, it does read like poorly written fan fiction.

Like I said, humans are currently competitive with generative AI.

I suspect they won't be for much longer.

> I'm not really sure how this translates to the death of the entertainment industry.

Implicit in my comment is the assumption that AI will continue to improve from here.

There is a clear curve forming in what generative AI is capable of.

For me to be correct, the curve holds for long enough that AI becomes a compelling story teller given user guidance/input along with corresponding stable generation of assets.

Given the poor fan fiction above is substantially better than where we were 5 years ago with generative AI, I think it's a pretty safe bet to say if we keep following that curve it'll become a pretty good dungeon master that can lead a quest in a meaningful number of worlds.

Re: Show HN: Netflix for AI-Generated Videos

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Post by r3trohack3r »

spondylosaurus wrote: post #14
r3trohack3r wrote: post #9

Most of the content production industry is not going to survive generative AI. You can produce your own hyper-customized content on-demand and communities can form around sharing that content. From video games, to text based adventures, to porn - I'd be surprised if humans are going to be competitive with generative AI for much longer. Personally, I enjoyed going back and playing the old Pokemon games for nostalgia.…

This is a neat text-based adventure, but it offers a completely different experience than, say, competitive PVP battling, or shiny hunting in-game, or even just filling the Pokedex. Bona fide Pokemon games aren't going anywhere.

Your comment reminds me of:

http://localroger.com/k5host/casodycs.html

When you can have anything you want, the only thing you want is something you can't have.

Agreed that variable rate reward systems and competitive games aren't going anywhere. The sports and casinos are here to stay.

Pokemon wasn't about the grind for me, or the variable rate reward mechanics, I played it for the world building and story telling attached to childhood nostalgia.

Re: Show HN: Netflix for AI-Generated Videos

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Post by swatcoder »

echelon wrote: post #13
orsenthil wrote: post #6

I found voice based AI tools pretty expensive for anything practical (Elevenlabs), how are these videos getting made? Especially the wondercraft.ai one, backed by Ycombinator? Is that through investor money? And is the idea that if there are going to be enough buyers for these AI generated content, the initial expenditure is worth it?

FakeYou and HuggingFace are free.

If you build a company relying on that, you’re going to have a rude awakening soon enough.

Unless you think you think you’re positioned to raise VC money in a down market, you’d only want to rely on something like with the plan of it being a low-investment “pop up” business where you make some cash now and shutter it when the model breaks.

Be careful!

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