Sorry to sound stupid but what is the point of an emissions defeat device?
US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices
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Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices
#22Sorry to sound stupid but what is the point of an emissions defeat device?
There are aesthetic, performance, financial, and ideological reasons for people to evade many regulatory requirements for cars. For emissions in particular, you may miss out on some vrooom or roar from your car, or you may find yourself tasked to make expensive repairs in order to keep it on the road.
These are comparatively cheap ways around that.
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#23What about silencers/suppressors? Haven't looked for a while, but it used to be fairly common to be able to find them on both Amazon and eBay, usually listed as "lawnmower mufflers", with pretty un-subtle hints: "This lawnmower muffler fits a 9mm exhaust and you can bang around your back yard all morning without disturbing your neighbor."
Other than in Hollywood movies, is there any crime that is enabled with a suppressor that isn't enabled with just the gun itself? Is everyone collectively harmed by one person possessing one?
Lots of gun owners think the rules around suppressors are silly, because the reduction in noise is a huge quality of life improvement for everyone around you -- and a glance at the police blotter in any major city should show that gun crime isn't exactly hindered by the lack of suppressors!
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#24They want to further outsource law enforcement to a due-process-free zone.
This is literally being tried in court under the Clean Air Act. How does this circumvent due process?
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#25My understanding is that such parts are not by themselves illegal. The crime is actually using them on the road. My understanding was that they were legal for track purposes.
I would never want to say that people should be able to defeat emissions, but a part of me does not like the idea that every vehicle owner is beholden to the OEM for parts in perpetuity. The "right to repair" people should be all over this fight. Restrict cars to only their original emissions parts and that becomes yet another lever for manufacturers to pull when they want to sell new cars/trucks/tractors. I say let people use the parts they want to use, then properly inspect and test the resulting vehicles once they are on the road.
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#26Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices
#27What about silencers/suppressors? Haven't looked for a while, but it used to be fairly common to be able to find them on both Amazon and eBay, usually listed as "lawnmower mufflers", with pretty un-subtle hints: "This lawnmower muffler fits a 9mm exhaust and you can bang around your back yard all morning without disturbing your neighbor."
It was a thing for a while, less so now though. To be fair, while they're illegal if fully finished (it's complicated, the ATF changed the rules recently), they're not exactly a threat to anyone. They just make weapons less concealable and only minimally decrease the audio signature. They're not like the movies. Congress and the ATF have been pushing to deregulate them because the paperwork burden required to make/bu…
I wouldn't want to get caught without a tax stamp... that's just asking to have a Very Bad Day.
Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices
#28They want to further outsource law enforcement to a due-process-free zone.
This is being handled through due process
Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices
#29Sorry to sound stupid but what is the point of an emissions defeat device?
There's a multitude or purposes. Improved power being one, improved reliability being another. Modern diesel emissions equipment fails regularly, often in hard to diagnose and repair ways.
If you spent $100k on a truck, and you could spend $2k more to 'delete' some emissions equipment to prevent $10k+ worth of repairs in the future, would you do it?
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#30Sorry to sound stupid but what is the point of an emissions defeat device?
Well, if you do it right, you put it on your race car to make it go faster and only drive it at the race track.
Otherwise, you do it to make your street car faster (and maybe also pollute more), or worse, just generate a bunch of diesel soot to annoy other people with.