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French ‘Three Strikes’ Law Slashes Piracy, But Fails to Boost Sales

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Re: French ‘Three Strikes’ Law Slashes Piracy, But Fails to Boost Sales

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Well, its all based on the idea that people who "illegally" download would have bought the item otherwise. Really not true. Mostly the reason is either convenience or lack of cash to buy in the first place.

I think of all the CD's I bought in the past which turned out to be garbage apart from the two singles released which are the reason for buying the CD. I think of all the DVD's I bought that I watched once. Now I don't have to waste my money. I can down load for free and buy a decent packaged copy if I deem it worthy of my money.

Thing is, I've been stitched up for years by these gits with terrible product, and I was getting back my wasted money. Now I purchase wisely because I can try it out first. I only buy what I personally feel is good product. I delete the garbage.

I suppose the media companies will require lots of their customers to be sued and jailed before any one in politics stands up to them and says, " no, you are wrong. You sales are down because your product is mostly rubbish, and sold in an inconvenient way. People are valuing your product as zero. Where they don't, they buy. "

What the media companies are concerned about is that they are losing the ability to con us with rubbish. What I think is good, is that the sales they now do have are probably better quality sales, and the people who did buy are happier with what they bought.

Said it before, but all that is happening here is that governments are for some reason trying to prop up failing business models. I dont understand why. If it were that the pace of technology threatened a clockwork clock company, then that company would be expected to either move on or go out of business. Some how, no so with the media companies. I assume that its to do with money, political funding and the usual democratic corruption.

Pah, could be wrong, but that's my current thinking.

Re: French ‘Three Strikes’ Law Slashes Piracy, But Fails to Boost Sales

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post #21

Well, its all based on the idea that people who "illegally" download would have bought the item otherwise. Really not true. Mostly the reason is either convenience or lack of cash to buy in the first place. I think of all the CD's I bought in the past which turned out to be garbage apart from the two singles released which are the reason for buying the CD. I think of all the DVD's I bought that I watched once. Now I…

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Re: French ‘Three Strikes’ Law Slashes Piracy, But Fails to Boost Sales

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This article is ridiculous. It has cherry picked statistics and misrepresented them. In 2011 digital downloads of music (through legitimate services, eg: itunes, spotify) GREW almost 20%(!!!). The reason that the overall statistics show a drop is because of physical media being included and that has fallen a huge amount: > Internet music growth was insufficient to offset falling sales of music on physical supports, d…

I agree the article is one sided, but rather than your view I still think its a moot point. Internet sales grew 18.4%, whilst overall sales were down 3.9%. I'm not sure either of these figures are so far out of line with what is happening in other countries for either side to claim they say anything about the impacts of this law clearly.

Excellent point - what's called for here is a real comparative study, and this new French law is an opportunity for that.

Unfortunately we're going to hear two diametrically opposite views, both "based on the numbers", neither shedding light on the subject.

Re: French ‘Three Strikes’ Law Slashes Piracy, But Fails to Boost Sales

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This article is ridiculous. It has cherry picked statistics and misrepresented them. In 2011 digital downloads of music (through legitimate services, eg: itunes, spotify) GREW almost 20%(!!!). The reason that the overall statistics show a drop is because of physical media being included and that has fallen a huge amount: > Internet music growth was insufficient to offset falling sales of music on physical supports, d…

Yes, the digital sales "GREW almost 20%(!!!)", as you enthusiastically put it. But you behave as if this is somehow extraordinary, and on top of it all automatically[0] assume that this is due to the reduction in piracy. In UK digital sales grew by 27% in 2011 alone, and they have no similar laws.[1] The truth is that the digital sales are increasing drastically all over the world, not just in France. This does not h…

In UK digital sales grew by 27% in 2011 alone, and they have no similar laws.

Actually, we do, primarily under the controversial Digital Economy Act that was pushed through just before the last general election.

The laws aren't widely applied yet in the way that they apparently have been in France, but there has been some fairly high profile threatening going on all the same.

In other words, while I'm certainly not equating the situation in the two countries and the seriousness or otherwise of the threat to pirates right now, it's probably not fair to totally discount the effect of anti-piracy rules in the UK either.

Re: French ‘Three Strikes’ Law Slashes Piracy, But Fails to Boost Sales

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post #21

Well, its all based on the idea that people who "illegally" download would have bought the item otherwise. Really not true. Mostly the reason is either convenience or lack of cash to buy in the first place. I think of all the CD's I bought in the past which turned out to be garbage apart from the two singles released which are the reason for buying the CD. I think of all the DVD's I bought that I watched once. Now I…

>People are valuing your product as zero. Where they don't, they buy.

No. The popular content is downloaded more. You can jump thru hoops and do backflips but the fact is people don't want to pay. Period. Everything else is justification.

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post #21

Well, its all based on the idea that people who "illegally" download would have bought the item otherwise. Really not true. Mostly the reason is either convenience or lack of cash to buy in the first place. I think of all the CD's I bought in the past which turned out to be garbage apart from the two singles released which are the reason for buying the CD. I think of all the DVD's I bought that I watched once. Now I…

>People are valuing your product as zero. Where they don't, they buy. No. The popular content is downloaded more. You can jump thru hoops and do backflips but the fact is people don't want to pay. Period. Everything else is justification.

Of course they don't want to buy, they recognize the cost of reproduction is zero. It is hard fact that once someone sets all the trillions of bits in a movie, game, operating system, or anything else we do, just ONCE, you can clone it for nothing as many times as you want.

Until we get off the distribution per unit model of retail we will have this war against consumers.

Re: French ‘Three Strikes’ Law Slashes Piracy, But Fails to Boost Sales

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>People are valuing your product as zero. Where they don't, they buy. No. The popular content is downloaded more. You can jump thru hoops and do backflips but the fact is people don't want to pay. Period. Everything else is justification.

Of course they don't want to buy, they recognize the cost of reproduction is zero. It is hard fact that once someone sets all the trillions of bits in a movie, game, operating system, or anything else we do, just ONCE, you can clone it for nothing as many times as you want. Until we get off the distribution per unit model of retail we will have this war against consumers.

>they recognize the cost of reproduction is zero.

That is being very generous to the pimply-faced downloaders. I am quite sure the costs upfront or otherwise have no bearing.

Re: French ‘Three Strikes’ Law Slashes Piracy, But Fails to Boost Sales

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Well, its all based on the idea that people who "illegally" download would have bought the item otherwise. Really not true. Mostly the reason is either convenience or lack of cash to buy in the first place. I think of all the CD's I bought in the past which turned out to be garbage apart from the two singles released which are the reason for buying the CD. I think of all the DVD's I bought that I watched once. Now I…

>People are valuing your product as zero. Where they don't, they buy. No. The popular content is downloaded more. You can jump thru hoops and do backflips but the fact is people don't want to pay. Period. Everything else is justification.

"The popular content is downloaded more"? What does that even mean? How are you measuring popularity?

... by units sold, say? Maybe the best-selling content is so because it's downloaded more, not vice-versa as you asserted. Or maybe there's a third factor that causes both. Correlation does not imply causation.

What of those who, as the GP said s/he does, download for free, then buy a copy if they actually like it?

If a product is of unknown quality, but known to be free to copy, it's sound economics to value it at zero. Supply is infinite and demand is indeterminate. Once you know more about it, and know how much you want it, you may want to pay for it. Or you may not, if you don't like it or are a cheapskate. C'est la vie.

It's more likely than you'd think: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/apr/21/study-finds-pira...

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