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Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by cderpz »

wheelerof4te wrote: post #17
zvmaz wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Well. I don't quite see how formenting revolution fits the bill Oppressive regimes like to use these sorts of rhetorical ploys to discredit social movements. Do people under authoritarian regimes have any agency? Or are they just puppets to foreign machinations?

"social movements." LOL, try harder. NGOs paid by the westerners are a thing, but you sure know that. If these people did not get free money for their actions, they would be silent. "Do people under authoritarian regimes have any agency?" "Authoritarian regimes" usually have popular support since a huge majority supports the ruling party. Otherwise, the country would not be stable and vast sums of western money would…

>"Authoritarian regimes" usually have popular support since a huge majority supports the ruling party.

This argument makes about as much sense as the following one:

>Otherwise, the country would not be stable and vast sums of western money would not have to be sent there in order to ferment a color revolution.

The defining characteristic of an authoritarian regime as opposed to a democratic one is that it does not derive its power and legitimacy from the people - i.e. popular support. It may be stable and "popular" and still terrible, North Korea comes to mind. But as out of touch as you seem to be, you probably belong to that strange group of people who think NK is actually an anti Western paradise.

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by wheelerof4te »

thriftwy wrote: post #19
wheelerof4te wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"social movements." LOL, try harder. NGOs paid by the westerners are a thing, but you sure know that. If these people did not get free money for their actions, they would be silent. "Do people under authoritarian regimes have any agency?" "Authoritarian regimes" usually have popular support since a huge majority supports the ruling party. Otherwise, the country would not be stable and vast sums of western money would…

Unfortunately, this is very true. If we look at public opposition to authoritarian regimes, we will see layers upon layers of NGO pets and very few independent figures. It is so apparent that they actually discredit the idea of opposing authoritarianism. Democracy is a tough sell if you know your local democratic movement is paid for by other countries which do not have your country's well-being, or existence, as a m…

"There is significant mismatch between two groups, but they get compounded and written off by the majority and the regime."

That is by nature. You can't make every person in a country happy. There are millions of homeless people, discontent people, depressed people all around the West. These people have been mercilessly oppressed by the cruel practices of neo-liberalism and profit-oriented capitalism. Imagine what world-wide sanctions and isolation would do to them.

Are there any NGOs that promote their plight? Of course not, since other countries either can't pay or are not interested in them. In the best case, there is a few under-paid organizations that are (cleverly) not getting the media attention.

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by wheelerof4te »

cderpz wrote: post #21
wheelerof4te wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"social movements." LOL, try harder. NGOs paid by the westerners are a thing, but you sure know that. If these people did not get free money for their actions, they would be silent. "Do people under authoritarian regimes have any agency?" "Authoritarian regimes" usually have popular support since a huge majority supports the ruling party. Otherwise, the country would not be stable and vast sums of western money would…

>"Authoritarian regimes" usually have popular support since a huge majority supports the ruling party. This argument makes about as much sense as the following one: >Otherwise, the country would not be stable and vast sums of western money would not have to be sent there in order to ferment a color revolution. The defining characteristic of an authoritarian regime as opposed to a democratic one is that it does not de…

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Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by csmpltn »

archon1410 wrote: post #7

I feel the Nobel prize was less for fighting for women's rights, and more for fighting against an anti-American, anti-Western government. For some reason, I don't see the award ever going to a rights activist fighting against the Saudi, Pakistani, or any other American-allied regimes. I of course don't ever see it going to someone fighting against the American regime itself, and its mass surveillance and war crimes,…

The Nobel prize is awarded by a committee of (largely) Judeo-Christian westerners, in a western country.

Equivalent awards given out by dictatorships or theocracies around the world can be just as easily seen through the same lens of hypocrisy and cynicism.

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Post by nicce »

ReptileMan wrote: post #14
michaeltimo wrote: post #4

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"Since World War II, the Peace Prize has principally been awarded to honour efforts in four main areas: arms control and disarmament, peace negotiation, democracy and human rights, and work aimed at creating a better organized and more peaceful world. In the 21st century the Nobel Committee has embraced efforts to limit the harm done by man-made climate change and threats to the environment as relevant to the Peace P…

But the world is just as peaceful (or peaceless) as before her activism. Now if she actually overthrew or forced the government to reform - it would be different. But award should be given for results not efforts.

Results are important because many are giving a lot of effort or even more than her but just haven't got the publicity.

Publicity can lead to results but can it be measured in this case?

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Post by csomar »

archon1410 wrote: post #7

I feel the Nobel prize was less for fighting for women's rights, and more for fighting against an anti-American, anti-Western government. For some reason, I don't see the award ever going to a rights activist fighting against the Saudi, Pakistani, or any other American-allied regimes. I of course don't ever see it going to someone fighting against the American regime itself, and its mass surveillance and war crimes,…

The Nobel peace prize is a joke. I think, at this point, everyone knows that. They should have called it something else, so not to devalue the other Nobel prizes. But then it'd not be as catchy.

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Post by rammer »

wheelerof4te wrote: post #9
jansan wrote: post #3

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> the Peace Prize has been very strange of late in general. Remember when a man received the Nobel Peace Prize for not being George W. Bush?

Oh, yea, I remember. Remember when he started droning civilians all over the Middle East anyway, just because they might have been linked to Al-Qaeda? The same Al-Qaeda US supported and trained a couple decades before that.

Yep.

US has been at the root of a lot of this century's problems..

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Post by g232089 »

archon1410 wrote: post #7

I feel the Nobel prize was less for fighting for women's rights, and more for fighting against an anti-American, anti-Western government. For some reason, I don't see the award ever going to a rights activist fighting against the Saudi, Pakistani, or any other American-allied regimes. I of course don't ever see it going to someone fighting against the American regime itself, and its mass surveillance and war crimes,…

That the Nobel Peace Prize is not a serious award should have been evident when Obama won it.

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Post by csomar »

michaeltimo wrote: post #4
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #2

The prize is supposedly awarded to those who have "done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses." Hmmm. Well. I don't quite see how formenting revolution fits the bill, but the Peace Prize has been very strange of late in general. By its own lights, I don't see a single person or entity who would…

"Since World War II, the Peace Prize has principally been awarded to honour efforts in four main areas: arms control and disarmament, peace negotiation, democracy and human rights, and work aimed at creating a better organized and more peaceful world. In the 21st century the Nobel Committee has embraced efforts to limit the harm done by man-made climate change and threats to the environment as relevant to the Peace P…

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Post by galangalalgol »

ReptileMan wrote: post #10
lancebeet wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been quite a few laureates who were awarded the prize for their activism against apartheid, some of whom also spent time in prison due to their revolutionary tendencies. Would you consider these prizes equally unjustified?

Yes. You have time man of the year for that kind.

Choosing to face injustice with articles and signs and peaceful gatherings instead of masks and high explosives furthers the goals of peace. Unless her articles explicitly called for violence, I have not read them.
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