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Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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As a vegan who also does weightlifting, I am happy that all studies I found so far came to the conclusion that soy based protein intake provides the same benefits to muscle growth as meat based protein intake.

Here is one of the more recent meta studies:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S216183132...

There often seems to be some confusion about this. People often expect that vegan diet makes it harder to grow muscles. While all studies I found show the opposite.

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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This article is a big nothing burger. Of course a foundation with the goal to "drive the transition to more healthful plant-based diets for human and planetary health. "[0] is against labeling highly-processed plant based food as "highly processed". Quote: > In an era of urgency to move populations towards more environmentally and nutritionally beneficial plant-based diets, making a simple switch to soya meat replace…

> making a simple switch to soya meat replacements and milk alternatives is a realistic and easy dietary change for most consumers to achieve

Pardon my French, but I don’t know what the author of that article finds “easy” in that.

Soy milk tastes like s*t, as does soy meat, in fact one of the main reasons we, Romanians, deposed Ceausescu back in the day was because his technocrats had tried to impose on us to eat soy-based salami, all in the name of “rational eating”. In fact, one of the main complaints made against the returning diaspora after Ceausescu had already fallen was that said diaspora hadn’t really known the hardships of dictatorship, literally those guys were told that “you didn’t eat soy-based salami”.

Which is to say that I find all this present discussion about “rationalizing” our eating habits as highly dystopic, more dystopic still when seeing the discourse that goes against all this non-sense getting labeled as conspiratorial and thrown to the margins.

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

#23

Not soya related, so maybe off topic, but what is the purpose of the "This website is for healthcare professionals only" popup that is displayed on first visit? I can't figure out whether they are trying to adjust how credible the site appears / keep the broad public from looking at the site, or something else.

I assumed it translated to something like, "this site makes dubious health claims that we legally are not allowed to say to consumers, but we can skirt the law by saying it's not for consumers."

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire game is silly, starting with considering "highly-processed" to be synonymous to "bad"/"unhealthy". There's lots of money behind pushing that meme too.

All the scientific evidence points to the fact that ultra-processed foods are unhealthy. There is much more money to be made in pushing the opposite view. But of course, those little mom and pop shops like Nestlé, Unilever et al don't have the money to do this, right?

You realize that Nestlé and Unilever play both ends, owning both high and low-processed food brands, both factory and organic produce? The same way pharma companies are the ones making homeopathic "remedies".

Food processing isn't evil, it's to a large degree a necessity. The alternative to processed food isn't everyone eating the mythical, health and happiness-granting fresh produce - it's population dropping to levels from early 20th century, and most people working on a farm.

Food processing is what allows for both variety and for most of us to live far from where the food is grown. It does come with health costs, but you need to evaluate those in context of health impact of everything developed in the last 100 years, all of which depends on having most people doing something other than working the land. Or better yet, let's focus on specific processes, categories of food products, and corporations, instead of making a blanket "processed = bad" judgement.

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is mckinsification?

Is it so hard to infer? McKinsey, consulting firm famous worldwide for its ruthless "optimization" of all industries often at the expense of consumers in favor of realizing short-term gains that look good to C-suite and shareholders, causes shifts in business practices both directly in its involvement as well as indirectly by inspiring copycat competitive tactics.

Yes, it is hard to infer for someone who's never heard of McKinsey. Assuming everyone MUST've heard is in poor taste. As far as I'm aware, there's no curriculum necessary for users of this site.

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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post #22

This article is a big nothing burger. Of course a foundation with the goal to "drive the transition to more healthful plant-based diets for human and planetary health. "[0] is against labeling highly-processed plant based food as "highly processed". Quote: > In an era of urgency to move populations towards more environmentally and nutritionally beneficial plant-based diets, making a simple switch to soya meat replace…

> making a simple switch to soya meat replacements and milk alternatives is a realistic and easy dietary change for most consumers to achieve Pardon my French, but I don’t know what the author of that article finds “easy” in that. Soy milk tastes like s*t, as does soy meat, in fact one of the main reasons we, Romanians, deposed Ceausescu back in the day was because his technocrats had tried to impose on us to eat soy…

Those who have experienced it see it for what it is.

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

#28

Unsure why it’s unhelpful. Soy milk so heavily processed and is so disgusting by itself they add so much shit to make it taste semi decent that it literally becomes bad for you. Just like skim/low fat milk is bad.

I highly recommend store brand soy milk, and tofu for that matter, if it's available in your area. It shouldn't require any additional ingredients to tatse good.

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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post #22

This article is a big nothing burger. Of course a foundation with the goal to "drive the transition to more healthful plant-based diets for human and planetary health. "[0] is against labeling highly-processed plant based food as "highly processed". Quote: > In an era of urgency to move populations towards more environmentally and nutritionally beneficial plant-based diets, making a simple switch to soya meat replace…

> making a simple switch to soya meat replacements and milk alternatives is a realistic and easy dietary change for most consumers to achieve Pardon my French, but I don’t know what the author of that article finds “easy” in that. Soy milk tastes like s*t, as does soy meat, in fact one of the main reasons we, Romanians, deposed Ceausescu back in the day was because his technocrats had tried to impose on us to eat soy…

Soy only tastes like shit if you don't know wtf to do with it.

Plenty of great food made with tofu but I doubt that soy salami is any good.

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

#30
Dairy milk straight of a cow doesn't look at all like what we can buy in a supermarket, and home made soya milk is very easy to do. I wouldn't bet on which one is the most "processed" by the industry.

Alpro is obviously doing its share of lobbying, but here in France a law was passed to forbid the term "milk" for plant based milk. Soya "milk" isn't allowed on labels for instance. All across Asia everyone knows what it is, us French are apparently too dumb and would be confused. Almond "milk" is ok but only for cosmetics, so is coconut milk I believe.

All this is just the result of intense lobbying and, likely, corruption.

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