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UK Parliament passes Online Safety Bill

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#21

Now this is a headline I didn't want to see pass. I wonder if Apple will do what they said and pull iMessage and FaceTime. Same with Meta and WhatsApp.

Well that would be a nice side effect, yes. It would be great if a terrible law had such fine consequences.

Re: UK Parliament passes Online Safety Bill

#22

Now this is a headline I didn't want to see pass. I wonder if Apple will do what they said and pull iMessage and FaceTime. Same with Meta and WhatsApp.

I think most of the companies saying they would pull out said they would because of the parts of the bill targeting end to end encryption.

I thought they dropped that part of the bill, I may be mistaken though.

Re: UK Parliament passes Online Safety Bill

#23

Now this is a headline I didn't want to see pass. I wonder if Apple will do what they said and pull iMessage and FaceTime. Same with Meta and WhatsApp.

I think most of the companies saying they would pull out said they would because of the parts of the bill targeting end to end encryption. I thought they dropped that part of the bill, I may be mistaken though.

They said it wasn't currently feasible. Meaning they believe it will be (lol) years or decades down the line.

Re: UK Parliament passes Online Safety Bill

#24
Going to buy shares in VPN providers.

Seriously though, this just feels like the walls closing in on the freedom we had online. There’s no way these powers won’t be extended into more surveillance and censorship generally, now that they’re in the door. We all lose.

And it won’t make the lives better for miserable children whom this bill is supposed to help - if anything, by controlling online content more they have even fewer places to reach out and find help without ‘somebody watching’.

The children prone to “online harms” will just find another outlet, and the parents (probably responsible for their misery in the first place) will switch to blaming that and demanding legislation to control it. Rinse and repeat.

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#25

I don't know why the UK bothers to make new laws. It has no hope of enforcing them. The Police are mired in scandal and cut to the bone. The courts system is taking apart, with criminal barristers forced to strike for pay, courts closed and massive backlogs in both the criminal and civil branches. Prisons are full, and taking apart. A terrorist on remand escaped last week. What are they possibly going to do with yet…

The point isn't to enforce it, the judicial system has completely collapsed. The point is just to appeal to their voters who don't understand none of this can be enforced and when it doesn't happen (their own failures) they can claim the deep state and civil service are all to against them doing what people want.

I hate that you're right. It doesn't apply exclusively to the UK

Re: UK Parliament passes Online Safety Bill

#26

I don't know why the UK bothers to make new laws. It has no hope of enforcing them. The Police are mired in scandal and cut to the bone. The courts system is taking apart, with criminal barristers forced to strike for pay, courts closed and massive backlogs in both the criminal and civil branches. Prisons are full, and taking apart. A terrorist on remand escaped last week. What are they possibly going to do with yet…

Why is the UK government in collapse? The same reasons as the US?

different.

The US government is designed to be inefficient and requires bipartisan agreement or a majority in both chambers to do stuff.

The UK government has significantly more executive powers, far more than the president, and normally has a majority to pass things that can't be done by the excutive.

the problem is that brexit and bad party leaders has been exceedingly disruptive and killed both the conservative and labour party. This is because it ripped apart the coalitions inside both parties. Suddenly the us and them was not our party and thier party, but people within the same party.

The competent have been driven out by the populists, and then they've burnt up and been replaced by the "tim, nice but dims". (populists were boris and corbyn)

Until we actually "deal" with or defuse brexit, and actually begin to structurally reform large parts of the country (education, industrial relations, health and local government to name but a few) we are going to be stuck

Re: UK Parliament passes Online Safety Bill

#27

I don't know why the UK bothers to make new laws. It has no hope of enforcing them. The Police are mired in scandal and cut to the bone. The courts system is taking apart, with criminal barristers forced to strike for pay, courts closed and massive backlogs in both the criminal and civil branches. Prisons are full, and taking apart. A terrorist on remand escaped last week. What are they possibly going to do with yet…

Why is the UK government in collapse? The same reasons as the US?

Our country is crumbling and people are starting to realise it’s the Tory’s fault. 13 years of Tory rule, cutting services to the bone and making themselves rich at our expense is seriously taking its toll. Councils are going bankrupt, schools are falling apart, public transport is in managed decline in a lot of areas, various sectors regularly going on strike, people can’t afford their bills, mortgages sky-rocketed, inflation is high…so many things

It’s widely accepted that Labour are a government-in-waiting.

Re: UK Parliament passes Online Safety Bill

#28

I don't know why the UK bothers to make new laws. It has no hope of enforcing them. The Police are mired in scandal and cut to the bone. The courts system is taking apart, with criminal barristers forced to strike for pay, courts closed and massive backlogs in both the criminal and civil branches. Prisons are full, and taking apart. A terrorist on remand escaped last week. What are they possibly going to do with yet…

Why is the UK government in collapse? The same reasons as the US?

I would say, generally, the people in power used to have a certain level of competence, even if they were despicable. They also had to act, outwardly at least, like they weren't deliberately shafting the common man.

Brexit changed all that. All that mattered was whether you believed in One True Brexit. Lots of heretics were hounded out. Behaviour didn't matter. You could say terrible things, as long as you were a BeLeaver.

Then Brexit was over. There was nothing left to believe in, but the cult were still in charge...

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