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Marc Benioff: “I don’t work well in an office”

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Re: Marc Benioff: “I don’t work well in an office”

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Post by hotnfresh »

aurareturn wrote: post #12
lovich wrote: post #7

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So is he either a figure head that can work remotely because he doesn’t matter, or is he doing “real work” and it turns out that working remotely does work? Execs like to paint working remotely as something that is wasteful and so the common employee shouldn’t be allowed to do so, while simultaneously extolling the virtues of their remote work. It’s reminiscent of the time I worked at one company and the chairman of…

Just read the article. He doesn't like to work from the office because he said he prefers to be on the road meeting customers. Meanwhile, the brand of WFH HN folks want is to not leave the house and interact with real humans in person. The only reason I said "co-ceo" is because I was responding to someone who, for whatever reason, thinks a multi-billion public company shouldn't have its CEO talk to customers.

I’ve been working from home for years. I leave the house and interact with real humans in person all the time. Sometimes I interact with real humans in person at home!

You go looking outside offices, it turns out there’re people everywhere. Who knew?

Re: Marc Benioff: “I don’t work well in an office”

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Post by 3seashells »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #18
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #11

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I think more remote is inevitable. Think of how much time is stolen from you in a daily commute. Remote is better for the environment too.

It is, but companies are too stubborn.

Well, culture is just so many rocks you can hold onto while swimming in the market. My regards to the inner city bubble who based a buisness on that millstone being kept afloat.

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Post by Gigachad »

rgrieselhuber wrote: post #11
wazokazi wrote: post #2

Remote is ok if your personality doesn't mesh with an office. And you are the CEO. This should do wonders for feeling of "ohana" at salesforce.

I think more remote is inevitable. Think of how much time is stolen from you in a daily commute. Remote is better for the environment too.

> Think of how much time is stolen from you in a daily commute

Not that much. And I just read hacker news while sitting on the train which I was going to do if sitting at home anyway.

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Post by robertlagrant »

lovich wrote: post #20
aurareturn wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just read the article. He doesn't like to work from the office because he said he prefers to be on the road meeting customers. Meanwhile, the brand of WFH HN folks want is to not leave the house and interact with real humans in person. The only reason I said "co-ceo" is because I was responding to someone who, for whatever reason, thinks a multi-billion public company shouldn't have its CEO talk to customers.

That’s odd because the the brand of WFH that most people I’ve met want is identical to what they do in the office sans the commute. That being that they hop onto a zoom meeting with people who are in other physical locations or they are working independently and the office is just a distraction. Another commenter mentioned that people were setting up a straw man against your words but I can’t agree. You keep implying…

> You keep implying that it’s rational for c levels to be working remote and then implying that regular employees only want wfh because they are just anti social.

Why change what was said? The statement wasn't about "c levels" - it was one person who is on the road a lot meeting customers. Like a super senior sales role. That's different to team/collaboration-based roles where colocation might (just before you change this too: remember - might) well massively improve things.

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Post by robertlagrant »

jonny_eh wrote: post #8
aurareturn wrote: post #5

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Read the article. It's explained there. A CEO traveling around to meet customers isn't a bad thing. In addition, he's the co-CEO and probably left day to day operations to the real CEO.

> A CEO traveling around to meet customers isn't a bad thing Same goes for meeting employees.

Probably more efficient to have all the employees go to a building and meet each other.

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Post by WeylandYutani »

Gigachad wrote: post #24
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think more remote is inevitable. Think of how much time is stolen from you in a daily commute. Remote is better for the environment too.

> Think of how much time is stolen from you in a daily commute Not that much. And I just read hacker news while sitting on the train which I was going to do if sitting at home anyway.

A train that has seats left in rush hour? I envy you.

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Post by this15testing1 »

Gigachad wrote: post #24
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think more remote is inevitable. Think of how much time is stolen from you in a daily commute. Remote is better for the environment too.

> Think of how much time is stolen from you in a daily commute Not that much. And I just read hacker news while sitting on the train which I was going to do if sitting at home anyway.

oh right, gigchad speaks for all people on earth who obviously have the same commute and transport options

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Post by khuedoan »

Gigachad wrote: post #24
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think more remote is inevitable. Think of how much time is stolen from you in a daily commute. Remote is better for the environment too.

> Think of how much time is stolen from you in a daily commute Not that much. And I just read hacker news while sitting on the train which I was going to do if sitting at home anyway.

Only if you live in a country with decent public transportation. The rest of the world still have to deal with traffic jam and polluted air while commuting (cars are difficult to get in many countries).

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Post by nikau »

Sparkyte wrote: post #19
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #18

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It is, but companies are too stubborn.

It all comes down to hiring the right people. The problem with remote is many companies hire the wrong people so they end up not doing the right thing. Then all of the people who are good get punished.

Its also lazy management.

Remote work used to be an earned privilege for workers who were self sufficient and didn't need any management.

Now everyone expects it, and lazy/weak managers will just make everyone come into the office vs having hard conversations with crap employees to tell them they cant work from home.

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