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Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

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Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

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Post by golemiprague »

RosanaAnaDana wrote: post #9
itsoktocry wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 5sec 0-60. When did this become a metric that mattered to any normal person? Do you even know the 0-60 of your car? Do you realize how quick 5 second is to 60mph? Most sports cars of a generation ago couldn't touch that. Why do you feel it needs to be faster? It's plain dangerous to inexperienced drivers.

Idk what the 0-60 of my leaf is but I beat every one off the line when I want to. It makes me far more comfortable on the freeway to get all the power I want on demand to quickly and safely make a maneuver. I would never have considered it before owning an EV, but now that I have one, I'll definitely be considerate of it in my next EV purchase. Previously I had only had crappy used ICE vehicles, and the acceleration…

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Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

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Post by Dig1t »

itsoktocry wrote: post #4
rgbrenner wrote: post #3

I see way too many Toyota battery articles for a company that can barely put out an EV. They're all promises... in the future, they swear they'll beat everyone, but they just released a Lexus EV at $60k with 196mi range and 5sec 0-60.

> 5sec 0-60. When did this become a metric that mattered to any normal person? Do you even know the 0-60 of your car? Do you realize how quick 5 second is to 60mph? Most sports cars of a generation ago couldn't touch that. Why do you feel it needs to be faster? It's plain dangerous to inexperienced drivers.

For Americans: always

For the rest of the world: I have no idea.

I have seen car commercials my entire life stating the car's 0-60. EV's I think are especially good for this though because it's fun to accelerate in an EV. Fun does sell cars, see the Miata, S2000, every convertible, etc There are tons of examples.

I, personally, as an average Joe, definitely would consider acceleration when buying a brand new car, I think it can be a good differentiator.

Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

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Post by willmadden »

zactato wrote: post #12

I'm surprised their battery technology isn't just a tank of hydrogen that's shaped like a normal EV battery.

It would have terrible range with the same footprint. Hydrogen has great energy density by mass but terrible energy density by volume. The tank needs to be huge (but it would be light).

Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

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Post by pengaru »

itsoktocry wrote: post #4
rgbrenner wrote: post #3

I see way too many Toyota battery articles for a company that can barely put out an EV. They're all promises... in the future, they swear they'll beat everyone, but they just released a Lexus EV at $60k with 196mi range and 5sec 0-60.

> 5sec 0-60. When did this become a metric that mattered to any normal person? Do you even know the 0-60 of your car? Do you realize how quick 5 second is to 60mph? Most sports cars of a generation ago couldn't touch that. Why do you feel it needs to be faster? It's plain dangerous to inexperienced drivers.

> When did this become a metric that mattered to any normal person?

Are you seriously going to try gaslight us that nobody cares about 0-60 times?

I'll be charitable and assume you're confusing max speed with 0-60. Most people care about 0-60 performance as it's what they experience after.every.single.stop. They may not know the documented 0-60 time, but they generally know and appreciate better acceleration.

But I do doubt most people know the actual top speed of their vehicles, and relatively few have ever operated their vehicles near or at vmax.

Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

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Post by [deleted] »

quicklime wrote: post #19
RosanaAnaDana wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idk what the 0-60 of my leaf is but I beat every one off the line when I want to. It makes me far more comfortable on the freeway to get all the power I want on demand to quickly and safely make a maneuver. I would never have considered it before owning an EV, but now that I have one, I'll definitely be considerate of it in my next EV purchase. Previously I had only had crappy used ICE vehicles, and the acceleration…

The Nissan Leaf has an official 0-100km/h sprint time of 7.9 seconds, while the Leaf e+ achieves a sprint time of 6.9 seconds. This is easily achievable by many ICE cars. You can get a Toyota Corolla that matches this (and I’m not talking about the GR Corolla).

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Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

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Post by willmadden »

BizarreByte wrote: post #6
rgbrenner wrote: post #3

I see way too many Toyota battery articles for a company that can barely put out an EV. They're all promises... in the future, they swear they'll beat everyone, but they just released a Lexus EV at $60k with 196mi range and 5sec 0-60.

I don't know what Toyota's future looks like in terms of electrics, but I know that I won't own an electric car until they sell an electric Corolla, or something equivalent.

Just get the new Prius Prime. The battery is large enough to go 44+ miles all electric, plus you can still use gasoline for long road trips. It has more cargo space than a corolla and actually looks kind of cool.

Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

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Post by reducesuffering »

rgbrenner wrote: post #3

I see way too many Toyota battery articles for a company that can barely put out an EV. They're all promises... in the future, they swear they'll beat everyone, but they just released a Lexus EV at $60k with 196mi range and 5sec 0-60.

It's telling how ashamed they are at the range when they have an entire screen filled with info about how range is affected by a variety of conditions. And the actual 220mi/196mi range is found in tiny font hidden behind a tab.

Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

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Post by _hypx »

willmadden wrote: post #23
zactato wrote: post #12

I'm surprised their battery technology isn't just a tank of hydrogen that's shaped like a normal EV battery.

It would have terrible range with the same footprint. Hydrogen has great energy density by mass but terrible energy density by volume. The tank needs to be huge (but it would be light).

Hydrogen has a higher energy density by volume compared to a li-ion battery. People really need to check their fact here.

Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

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Post by KennyBlanken »

RosanaAnaDana wrote: post #9
itsoktocry wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 5sec 0-60. When did this become a metric that mattered to any normal person? Do you even know the 0-60 of your car? Do you realize how quick 5 second is to 60mph? Most sports cars of a generation ago couldn't touch that. Why do you feel it needs to be faster? It's plain dangerous to inexperienced drivers.

Idk what the 0-60 of my leaf is but I beat every one off the line when I want to. It makes me far more comfortable on the freeway to get all the power I want on demand to quickly and safely make a maneuver. I would never have considered it before owning an EV, but now that I have one, I'll definitely be considerate of it in my next EV purchase. Previously I had only had crappy used ICE vehicles, and the acceleration…

> I beat every one off the line when I want to.

It's easy to win a race when nobody else is racing.

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