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French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12

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Re: French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12

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I have an iPhone SE that's (apparently) 2nd generation 2020 - same year as iPhone 12. I'm a bit worried now.

The iphone SE (2020) has the body of an iphone 8 with the chip of an iphone 11 It's not related in anyway to the iphone 12, and was in fact released several months before it

Thank you very much for those details!

Re: French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12

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> testing found that the model emits more electromagnetic waves susceptible to be absorbed by the body than permitted SMH, they're talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation Next they'll issue an order to halt sunrise and the subsequent 1000W/m^2 of electromagnetic radiation

> Next they'll issue an order to halt sunrise and the subsequent 1000W/m^2 of electromagnetic radiation

It's not halting sunrise but there's a directive[1] that basically says (amongst other) "don't work under the sun without protection".

[1] Amended proposal for a Council Directive on the minimum Health and Safety requirements regarding the exposure of workers to the risks arising from physical agents — Individual Directive in relation to Article 16 of Directive 89/391/EEC (Text with EEA relevance) (OJ C, C/230, 19.08.1994, p. 3, )

Re: French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12

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> testing found that the model emits more electromagnetic waves susceptible to be absorbed by the body than permitted SMH, they're talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation Next they'll issue an order to halt sunrise and the subsequent 1000W/m^2 of electromagnetic radiation

bad take, different frequencies have different absorptions and biological effects...

Re: French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12

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> testing found that the model emits more electromagnetic waves susceptible to be absorbed by the body than permitted SMH, they're talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation Next they'll issue an order to halt sunrise and the subsequent 1000W/m^2 of electromagnetic radiation

The sun has ionizing radiations, this doesn't

Weird that we're regulating for 4W/kg of non-ionizing radiations

Re: French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12

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The phone doesn't meet the regulations which means it can't be sold. Whether they're good regulations or not is another matter.

I wonder why it took them 3 years to find out, I thought these radiation tests are pretty basic these days due to cancer scares some decade and half (?) ago. I think gsmarena publishes similar values in their summary pages, but maybe its just copy paste from release material.

I guess this is because the agency is underfunded. Their missions are not only to check the radiation on new phones but also to check all 2G/3G/4G/5G in France (about 200k) and investigated in case of radio-frequency problems.

Re: French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12

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> testing found that the model emits more electromagnetic waves susceptible to be absorbed by the body than permitted SMH, they're talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation Next they'll issue an order to halt sunrise and the subsequent 1000W/m^2 of electromagnetic radiation

bad take, different frequencies have different absorptions and biological effects...

We're talking about ghz frequencies whereas sunlight is terahertz. Latter interacts with human cells and a portion of it causes skin cancer. Former (non-ionizing radiation) causes a rise in temperature or passes right through.

People tried so hard to find the smallest negative effects of non-ionizing radiation (without p-hacking or silly surveys) and failed miserably. This is one of those rare cases where absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

Re: French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12

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> testing found that the model emits more electromagnetic waves susceptible to be absorbed by the body than permitted SMH, they're talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation Next they'll issue an order to halt sunrise and the subsequent 1000W/m^2 of electromagnetic radiation

A microwave oven has produces non-ionizing radiation, would you put your hand inside one while it's on? It's non-ionizing so it should be 100% safe right?

Re: French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12

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> testing found that the model emits more electromagnetic waves susceptible to be absorbed by the body than permitted SMH, they're talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation Next they'll issue an order to halt sunrise and the subsequent 1000W/m^2 of electromagnetic radiation

The sun has ionizing radiations, this doesn't Weird that we're regulating for 4W/kg of non-ionizing radiations

It's the precautionary principle at work. Of course most people never consider the negative effects of such alarmist behavior. There are some pretty good examples on the wiki showing this happening throughout history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precautionary_principle#Critic...

Re: French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12

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> testing found that the model emits more electromagnetic waves susceptible to be absorbed by the body than permitted SMH, they're talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation Next they'll issue an order to halt sunrise and the subsequent 1000W/m^2 of electromagnetic radiation

A microwave oven has produces non-ionizing radiation, would you put your hand inside one while it's on? It's non-ionizing so it should be 100% safe right?

At the power levels we're talking about (5W)? Of course I would. The effects are well known: It heats your hands up at 5 joules per second.

Incidentally, Tech Ingredients has a great video on using microwave ovens without an enclosure and how to block similar directed energy weapons that use a lot more than 5W: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_aUOSLuRo

Re: French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A microwave oven has produces non-ionizing radiation, would you put your hand inside one while it's on? It's non-ionizing so it should be 100% safe right?

At the power levels we're talking about (5W)? Of course I would. The effects are well known: It heats your hands up at 5 joules per second. Incidentally, Tech Ingredients has a great video on using microwave ovens without an enclosure and how to block similar directed energy weapons that use a lot more than 5W: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_aUOSLuRo

Go right a head then but I know prolonged no distance (touching skin) exposure to wifi RF antenna will burn you from the inside out. It was painful but it heals fast.
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