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What the interns have wrought, 2023 edition

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Re: What the interns have wrought, 2023 edition

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Great article, one I wait for yearly. Relatedly - how do others deal with being objectively inferior, in basically every way, to the types of people that work at Jane Street? It always irks me that they end each of these articles with a recruiting pitch, as if most of us would ever be good enough to even get an interview, much less get an offer.

Do an MBA and become the management layer of course.

Re: What the interns have wrought, 2023 edition

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Great article, one I wait for yearly. Relatedly - how do others deal with being objectively inferior, in basically every way, to the types of people that work at Jane Street? It always irks me that they end each of these articles with a recruiting pitch, as if most of us would ever be good enough to even get an interview, much less get an offer.

Inferiority is how you frame it. You don't need to be Jane Street level to do good things in computer science or life. I've found a job where I do cool things on a compiler and I like it. I don't feel inferior to them, instead I feel inspired from these articles to learn cool stuff and build things I'm proud off. I can say though that when I was working on stuff I enjoyed less (backend ERP stuff), I felt much worse a…

true, when you work on something you feel personally rewarded/challenged by, you rarely compare yourself to others, i think if you feel like your life is being wasted and you aren't living up to your potential then you start comparing yourself and feel bad.

Re: What the interns have wrought, 2023 edition

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TIL: "wrought" means about the same as "worked", but it has a more "tangible" sense to it, like doing some smithery/forgery.

It was in the first official Morse code transmission. The title of the Jane Street piece is a play on this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_hath_God_wrought

Re: What the interns have wrought, 2023 edition

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Great article, one I wait for yearly. Relatedly - how do others deal with being objectively inferior, in basically every way, to the types of people that work at Jane Street? It always irks me that they end each of these articles with a recruiting pitch, as if most of us would ever be good enough to even get an interview, much less get an offer.

Copying a comment of user cperciva from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8411614:

> more than once I was approached by people who wanted me to help implement their projects. But I have always refused just because I think I'm not good enough. [...] have you ever done that?

Absolutely. I'd say that 90% of the time that I've been offered consulting work, I've turned it down because I know it would require some skills -- web design, graphics, SQL, linux, ruby, C++, etc. -- which I know I don't have.

I have a reputation for being very good at what I do, and it is certainly true that there are some things I am very good at... but a large part of that is that I don't do the things which I'm not very good at.

> how do you deal with self-doubt?

If you're a generalist, there's almost certainly going to be someone else who is a better generalist than you. If you specialize, it's not hard to find a niche in which you are one of the leading experts in the world -- because the group you're being compared against is losing the 99.9999% of people who never looked at that particular niche. So I'd recommend looking for a niche; because once you're the world's leading expert on something, it's pretty hard to doubt your competence in that area.

Re: What the interns have wrought, 2023 edition

#28

Great article, one I wait for yearly. Relatedly - how do others deal with being objectively inferior, in basically every way, to the types of people that work at Jane Street? It always irks me that they end each of these articles with a recruiting pitch, as if most of us would ever be good enough to even get an interview, much less get an offer.

The people that attempt and fail their interviews settle for FAANG and are probably pretty happy. Most software engineers I've met don't even know about Jane Street. Also, definitely not "in basically every way," but very specifically logical/mathematical intelligence.

Yep. I worked at JS, and there's plenty of ways you're probably "superior" to me.

Also, ~almost everyone I worked with at JS was brilliant and I don't say this to disparage anyone, even as engineers there were definitely blindspots.

Also also: please remember that SBF worked there too.

Re: What the interns have wrought, 2023 edition

#29

Great article, one I wait for yearly. Relatedly - how do others deal with being objectively inferior, in basically every way, to the types of people that work at Jane Street? It always irks me that they end each of these articles with a recruiting pitch, as if most of us would ever be good enough to even get an interview, much less get an offer.

Do an MBA and become the management layer of course.

Hah, someone a while back showed me a Jane Street job that was apparently writing/maintaining a ton of VBA. Really curious what the interview process for that job looked like.

Re: What the interns have wrought, 2023 edition

#30

Great article, one I wait for yearly. Relatedly - how do others deal with being objectively inferior, in basically every way, to the types of people that work at Jane Street? It always irks me that they end each of these articles with a recruiting pitch, as if most of us would ever be good enough to even get an interview, much less get an offer.

At least you’re good enough to work in software period.
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