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Google Pays $10B a Year to Maintain Monopoly, US Says

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Re: Google Pays $10B a Year to Maintain Monopoly, US Says

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Conspiracy theory on this: Knowing they are heading up to this big anti-trust case, they devise the following plan. They will ensure that at least in the search-engine space they are not monopolizing, by making google worse and worse until the point that no one uses it anymore. All in time for their case. Legal defense by enshitification. By the time it happens google won't be the most-used search engine. Honestly it…

Search traffic is too sticky and Google has entrenched itself too much for quality to matter, which is the whole point of what the DOJ is arguing. No amount of enshittification will remove Google as the default iPhone browser.

Re: Google Pays $10B a Year to Maintain Monopoly, US Says

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Conspiracy theory on this: Knowing they are heading up to this big anti-trust case, they devise the following plan. They will ensure that at least in the search-engine space they are not monopolizing, by making google worse and worse until the point that no one uses it anymore. All in time for their case. Legal defense by enshitification. By the time it happens google won't be the most-used search engine. Honestly it…

Search traffic is too sticky and Google has entrenched itself too much for quality to matter, which is the whole point of what the DOJ is arguing. No amount of enshittification will remove Google as the default iPhone browser.

I think this is the issue that Google will face. There may be better search engines out there but they are subscription or request monetized. Would I love to use one of them? Yes. Am I going to? No. I have too many subscriptions than I like as is. I know of them and won't use them. The average consumer has no idea they exist.

Re: Google Pays $10B a Year to Maintain Monopoly, US Says

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post #20

If the DOJ's case is that Google pays $10B to Apple to exclude competitors then they're suing the wrong company. Their story is actually that Apple is the one with the monopoly that they then sell piecemeal to third parties. Therefore (if that is illegal) it is Apple's behavior they have to change.

Where does it say its all going to apple? You've made a baseless assumption and inferred an argument from that.

> You've made a baseless assumption and inferred an argument from that.

I think there’s a name for such thing. It’s not Strawman, but something in the same vein.

Re: Google Pays $10B a Year to Maintain Monopoly, US Says

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I'm struck by how much this seems to parallel the Microsoft DOJ case of 2001.[1] At the time, Microsoft was bundling IE and trying to block use of other browsers. However, the browser wasn't really where the value was, and we all ended up with Chrome, while Microsoft completely missed the internet era and lost search to Google. I find the timing of this interesting as we are seeing a shift to AI being able to answer…

> Or do you think if Microsoft had been able to maintain IE dominance (which it kinda did until Chrome anyway) the internet would have ended up being shaped significantly differently? The IE engine was quirky, and it was common for webdevs to only target IE. I think there was a real danger that a large portion of the web was going to be IE only, vendor locking everyone. I think ultimately iPhone/Android did as much t…

You're right. I totally agree with you. I think it goes further to prove the point that DOJ is trying to stop people from stealing horses 10 years after the automobile had been invented.
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