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‘Friends’ and ‘Seinfeld’ knew the cure for loneliness

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Re: ‘Friends’ and ‘Seinfeld’ knew the cure for loneliness

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This seems nuts to me. I grew up in Colorado and have also lived in several other states where people are more comfortable and likely to bump into each other in public spaces than NYC. In NYC, people are nearly all strangers and in a big hurry. Even living in Mountain View was better. In terms of serendipity, I'd put a college town far ahead of a large city.

> In NYC, people are nearly all strangers and in a big hurry Maybe you've only been in midtown Manhattan? I live in a Brooklyn neighborhood where we bump into people we know constantly and no-one is rushing around madly.

You got it exactly!

Every time in NYC, I've spent nearly my entire time in Manhattan, excluding one trip to my friend's folks' place on Staten Island. That seemed much better in terms of the odds serendipitous bumping into friends, but still less so than mountain state.

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> We can see this shift everywhere. The characters of the biggest shows of the '90s — "Friends," "Seinfeld," "Cheers" — spent the overwhelming majority of their time hanging out at the café, diner, and bar, and work was either an afterthought or a running joke. These were television shows, not reality. Even in the 80s and 90s you couldn't spend all of your time in a Manhattan coffee shop or a bar (unless you were a d…

You don't need to spend all your time somewhere for it to become a decent third space. You just need to go regularly, at a similar enough time that you start building rapport with the people who also go at the same time. If you go to the gym or bar for an hour or two after work every weekday, for example, you'll quickly notice that the same people are there with you. Interact with them enough, and these people form the outer ring of your social life.

Then you need to have explicitly social gatherings. For example, I've got a biweekly game night that an old friend and I alternate hosting. We invite our friends and the occasional acquaintance from our outer rings, and some start coming regularly. Typically somewhere between 4 and 10 people show up, BYOB, and we play some board games into the odd hours. Often random subsets of the group will grab dinner together before hand.

Then you have your close friend maintenance regimen. People you're not seeing regularly anymore in the context you used to (whether it was school, and old workplace, etc), but that you want to maintain a relationship with. If you spend at least 1 weekend night a week grabbing dinner and some drinks with one of these people, you'll be able to maintain your relationships with up to a half dozen or so people (in addition to the ones that are in your more active group).

Mix in some larger gatherings/parties a couple times a year, and you've set yourself up a healthy social life.

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I am talking from a US perspective. There are few cities in the US that offer this, though NYC is by no means the only one.

You should really get out of NYC sometime. Pretty much every city and even mid-sized town in the US has what you're describing. A lot of it is far easier to navigate than Brooklyn as well.

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I am talking from a US perspective. There are few cities in the US that offer this, though NYC is by no means the only one.

You should really get out of NYC sometime. Pretty much every city and even mid-sized town in the US has what you're describing. A lot of it is far easier to navigate than Brooklyn as well.

I get out of NYC plenty!

I’m not saying mid-sized towns have no amenities. I’m saying the sheer density of NYC provides many more opportunities. If you’re claiming that even mid sized towns have dozens of museums accessible by public transit… they do not.

But to provide more context to my original comment about serendipitous connections: the default path for many people living in NYC is not to move to a mid-sized town (fewer job opportunities, for one), it’s to move to the suburbs. Out in the burbs (where I’ve spent more time than I ever care to) you’re driving absolutely everywhere and people are scattered all over the place. That is what I don’t want.

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Happy to see I'm not alone and someone else is complaining about our sad parks, "What we call parks look like parking lots with some grass on them, perhaps a baseball diamond. That's not the kind of park that draws people in," Tayana Panova, a researcher who studies the built environment's effects on mental health, told me. "We need parks that have amenities and assets that make it desirable for people to go there."…

Ideally, you'd have a bit of both. A large open space is needed for a lot of sports and hobbies. In cities I see a lot more parks that are nothing more than a bit of run down looking playground equipment and a couple benches than large open fields.

The parks with more amenities tend to have things like fenced off areas, nets and marked courts for ball sports, bright overhead lights, buildings, and actual parking lots. Busy outdoor entertainment centers are nice, but open green space is important too.

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You should really get out of NYC sometime. Pretty much every city and even mid-sized town in the US has what you're describing. A lot of it is far easier to navigate than Brooklyn as well.

I get out of NYC plenty! I’m not saying mid-sized towns have no amenities. I’m saying the sheer density of NYC provides many more opportunities. If you’re claiming that even mid sized towns have dozens of museums accessible by public transit… they do not. But to provide more context to my original comment about serendipitous connections: the default path for many people living in NYC is not to move to a mid-sized tow…

Well you talked about having ice cream and going to parks, so I'd say yes pretty much everywhere in the US has that. Other places are also much more walkable than Brooklyn, tons of smaller cities have started focusing on revitalizing their downtowns and providing walkable communities.

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I don't know if you need a third place. Home will do fine, just invite people to hang out to watch sports games, movies, BBQ, whatever. I lived separately, but I had a few friends living together and it was an open door policy like Seinfeld and Friends... just walk in.

Another point is a lot of my friends, who have trouble meeting other friends, don't have hobbies. During the summer, I say "I'm going hiking every weekend this summer, whoever wants to come can join". If no one else goes, that's fine my dog still has an awesome time. Sure enough, friends show up, sometimes with their coworkers or their hair barber. These friends are closer than the beer, coffee crowd because we already have the hobby in common.

EDIT: the main commonality between the open door policy and hiking example is consistency. Any time not busy, people will just default gravitate to the house or hiking meetup.

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> We can see this shift everywhere. The characters of the biggest shows of the '90s — "Friends," "Seinfeld," "Cheers" — spent the overwhelming majority of their time hanging out at the café, diner, and bar, and work was either an afterthought or a running joke. These were television shows, not reality. Even in the 80s and 90s you couldn't spend all of your time in a Manhattan coffee shop or a bar (unless you were a d…

I don't know about Manhattan, but I can tell you in my small hometown, you can walk down to the pub any night and you'll meet up with some friends randomly, no planning required. It's actually amazing.

Of course this is much more difficult in large cities, but it's something to work towards, and is clearly possible.

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I get out of NYC plenty! I’m not saying mid-sized towns have no amenities. I’m saying the sheer density of NYC provides many more opportunities. If you’re claiming that even mid sized towns have dozens of museums accessible by public transit… they do not. But to provide more context to my original comment about serendipitous connections: the default path for many people living in NYC is not to move to a mid-sized tow…

Well you talked about having ice cream and going to parks, so I'd say yes pretty much everywhere in the US has that. Other places are also much more walkable than Brooklyn, tons of smaller cities have started focusing on revitalizing their downtowns and providing walkable communities.

> Well you talked about having ice cream and going to parks

That's two of the things I mentioned, yes. I also mentioned museums and other amenities which are also "third places", as discussed in the article.

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