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Re: 9/11 in Realtime

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I'm a bit lost, changing the timeline doesn't seem to correspond to the events or coverage of them. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

I think you need to "start it off" by pushing "Go" on the Controls window after you set a time. That seemed to then line everything up. Note that the Menu Bar time widget does not reflect the Timeline time tho!

OK, the menu bar was throwing me off... makes no sense. Thanks.

Re: 9/11 in Realtime

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post #7

This stuff is so difficult for me to watch again, I was a senior in HS. Reading IRC logs from back then is also really interesting. And Nanog had a really interesting slideshow/powerpoint deep dive on the infrastructure outages that occurred. And of course the SomethingAwful thread that's been posted before. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7990991 RE: this specific site.. interesting UX/UI choice. I was hoping I…

I relate: was also a senior. I had an English final that morning, I think. Earth shifted. It was an overwhelming experience seeing it happen on TV.

Re: 9/11 in Realtime

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Ugh, once was enough for me. Remembering it is important, reliving it is too much.

This quote from Lincoln is pretty pertinent to some things that have happened since:

> At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.

Commonly reported as "America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves"

Re: 9/11 in Realtime

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post #11

I'm a bit lost, changing the timeline doesn't seem to correspond to the events or coverage of them. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

I don't understand why there's static noise instead of broadcast all the time. Is it a buffering animation and does the server have troubles keeping up?

Re: 9/11 in Realtime

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post #3

If you want to get a handle on how the War on Terror started and how everybody felt about it, I highly recommend listening to some of the live radio shows from that morning, such as the Howard Stern show. You look back now and question how we could've let it get so out of hand, but watching people react to it in real time takes you right back to the emotions it triggered. I don't think I've ever felt that degree of c…

It was obvious to me, a Brit, that there would be massive American retaliation against whichever country was linked to this - and I said so in the office where we had all broken off work to crowd round the TV or refresh news websites. Then a second plane hit.

(I incorrectly guessed it was the PLO responsible)

> That week, many of the people I know would've been happy to launch nuclear weapons at every population center in Afghanistan and the capitals of every nation that'd so much as looked at the United States funny in the previous ten years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_C...

There was (and still is in some quarters) a huge desire for revenge against Iran. A side effect of Republicans going full Qanon is that they no longer care about the middle east at all, and the PNAC lot fade into history.

Re: 9/11 in Realtime

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post #17
post #3

If you want to get a handle on how the War on Terror started and how everybody felt about it, I highly recommend listening to some of the live radio shows from that morning, such as the Howard Stern show. You look back now and question how we could've let it get so out of hand, but watching people react to it in real time takes you right back to the emotions it triggered. I don't think I've ever felt that degree of c…

That was the intended effect. This is the context: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda War is strategic. But soldiers won't kill for strategic reasons. They will fight when given an ethical basis. The objective truth never provides this.

You can feed them hashish or whatever and turn people into berserkers. Also, in mercenaries people do it for other reasons.

Anyhow, when you look at the elated reaction from people in some areas of the world when it happened, one can see why people might react to that reaction with seething vengeance in mind.

Re: 9/11 in Realtime

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post #9
post #7

This stuff is so difficult for me to watch again, I was a senior in HS. Reading IRC logs from back then is also really interesting. And Nanog had a really interesting slideshow/powerpoint deep dive on the infrastructure outages that occurred. And of course the SomethingAwful thread that's been posted before. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7990991 RE: this specific site.. interesting UX/UI choice. I was hoping I…

Do you have a source for the Nanog powerpoint? That sounds really interesting.

I've dug this up 2-3 times since 2001 and I always have a nightmare of a time finding it. I'm not finding it anywhere right now. I'm pretty sure it was a Nanog report but I could be wrong there, it was very thorough and a lot of slides.

Best I can do right now is the Nanog mail list that day/week... https://archive.nanog.org/mailinglist/mailarchives/old_archi...

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