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Re: Starfield’s missing Nvidia DLSS support has been added by a free mod

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Post by jhasse » Sun, Sep 10, 2023, 1:40 PM UTC

tensor wrote: post #7

ShamelessC wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is also mentioned at the end of the linked article. > For anyone hoping for a more official (and less morally fraught) way to add DLSS support to Starfield, AMD hasn't completely ruled it out. In a recent interview with The Verge, AMD Gaming CEO Frank Azor said that "if they [Bethesda] want to do DLSS, they have AMD’s full support... If [our partners] ask us for DLSS support, we always tell them yes." No public…

What are they leaving out though? "Yes, sure, implement DLSS but then whatever money we're giving you will be 50% less. But you can implement it if you want!"

They aren't obligated to give developers any money, so I don't see the scandal here.

Re: Starfield’s missing Nvidia DLSS support has been added by a free mod

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Post by bigcloud1299 » Sun, Sep 10, 2023, 3:08 PM UTC

Free publicity for Starfield. :)

Re: Starfield’s missing Nvidia DLSS support has been added by a free mod

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Post by m-p-3 » Sun, Sep 10, 2023, 5:56 PM UTC

There's also an alternative mod that does DLSS3 as well as frame generation that isn't behind a Patreon paywall

https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/761

Re: Starfield’s missing Nvidia DLSS support has been added by a free mod

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Post by nanaboo » Mon, Sep 11, 2023, 3:31 PM UTC

belltaco wrote: post #2

It's an AMD sponsored game, so it's unlikely to get DLSS support. Digital Foundry's editor said he spoke to devs of 3 other games where AMD made them remove support for DLSS. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5H1OrKWYAANDPJ?format=png&name=...

youtuber moore's law is dead reported nvidia sources told him nvidia did this on purpose.

they caused a stir with clickbait-tubers and they just sat back and laughed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPSB_BKd9Dg&t=650s _ RX 7800 / 7700 XT Benchmark Leak: AMD doesn't need Starfield to Win _ Sep 2, 2023

Re: Starfield’s missing Nvidia DLSS support has been added by a free mod

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Post by xela79 » Thu, Sep 14, 2023, 9:30 AM UTC

belltaco wrote: post #2

It's an AMD sponsored game, so it's unlikely to get DLSS support. Digital Foundry's editor said he spoke to devs of 3 other games where AMD made them remove support for DLSS. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5H1OrKWYAANDPJ?format=png&name=...

aand DLSS support has been officially announced by the devs.

Re: Starfield’s missing Nvidia DLSS support has been added by a free mod

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Post by xela79 » Thu, Sep 14, 2023, 9:31 AM UTC

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #11

Eisenstein wrote: post #10

Unlike DLSS, AMD's upscaling tech works cross vendor, so I am not sure what the big deal is. I have a 3080 and I don't notice any difference between DLSS and FSR on games, and Starfield is running fine and looks great at 4K with whatever the default settings are at 'High/Ultra'.

In other games, DLSS2 looks better to me, but the difference is mostly apparent at high scaling factors (like the "performance" preset). ...And I briefly launched Starfield just because it came with my CPU, and to be blunt, it looks hilariously dated, and runs like a pig. Cyberpunk 2077 looks better on my laptop 2060 than Starfield does on my desktop 3090, at about the same framerate on a 4K TV. The resemblance to Ob…

no idea what you're getting at, SF looks mighty fine :)

Re: Starfield’s missing Nvidia DLSS support has been added by a free mod

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Post by scheeseman486 » Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 4:08 AM UTC

Eisenstein wrote: post #17

scheeseman486 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might not notice a difference but neither does grandma notice motion smoothing on her TV. FSR2 has a bunch more fizzle in high frequency detail (specular and foliage), more severe disocclusion artifacts causing streaking and ghosting behind moving objects and it runs worse than DLSS since it eats into the raster budget instead of using discreet hardware like Nvidia's tensor cores.

I'd suggest that in future discussions you refrain from metaphors which use insulting connotations as it makes it difficult for the person to follow up without getting defensive. Perhaps try: 'you may not notice a difference, and I don't notice the difference between really good wine or mediocre wine, but there are people who can'. I know this discussion is about a game, but lets not turn HN into a toxic gamer forum…

There's a lot of bullshit in wine tasting. It's not total junk but double blind tests show experts assigning different flavor profiles to the same bottles/vintages and vice versa and non-experts coming to many of the same conclusions re: quality which mostly comes down to a lack of balance between acidity and sweetness. With DLSS vs FSR2, there is an objectively measurable difference in quality.

Apologies if you felt belittled. The "grandma doesn't notice motion smoothing" metaphor was used because of it being a shared experienced among the technologically savvy, though I get how it could be interpreted as insulting. Nothing wrong with being a grandma, they don't know any better.