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Re: PAROL6 Desktop Robot Arm

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I wonder how this compares to the AR4 robotic arm ( https://www.anninrobotics.com ). The AR4 isn't truly hardware open source, but my understanding is that it's software agnostic. My biggest question is the full cost for the PAROL6. Their BOM link is 404. I can build the AR4 completely for less than $2000, and for education, that's a very small price for a semi-useful, full 6 axis arm. (Currently, to give a compariso…

Seems like an open-source/DIY or kit (requiring some assembly) for educational applications is great in the context of a class or project where building/fixing/upgrading the robot is the point, and where 3D printing is readily available.

If the main purpose is for the robot to do something - the DIY approach is more likely to suffer issues that, without support, may discourage students because they're fussing with/fixing the bot instead of doing the thing.

Out of curiosity, what's the $40k kit you mentioned?

Educational packages are all over the place (some seem to be price-gouging, frankly) but the low-end (in terms of payload + reach) of commercial/industrial cobots is getting pretty affordable.

Re: PAROL6 Desktop Robot Arm

#23
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I would love having one capable of unloading the dishwasher.

I've thought about building a robot to do that, but I think it would be cheaper to buy 2 or 3 dishwashers and modify them for use as cupboards. One will always be open for loading dirty stuff and another will always be open for retrieving clean stuff.

btw ultrasonic cleaners are like miniature dishwashers and having one near my office room is very convenient for cleaning hardware compared to using the full-size dishwasher in the kitchen. Only disadvantage is that it needs soundproofing

Re: PAROL6 Desktop Robot Arm

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The AR4 isn't truly hardware open source Being pedantic this isn't either, there's no CAD source files, only stl files. Hopefully that's just an oversight.

For someone that hasn't used a CAD package in 30 years, can you explain the importance of this for me? Is a STL like a JPG is to a RAW in a camera?

The STL is a mesh file that is used to generate g-code that a 3d printer or CNC machine understands.

The CAD file, whichever format its in, is going to have all the solid modelling information and be much more useful if you want to make changes.

Re: PAROL6 Desktop Robot Arm

#25
post #19

Interesting project. I wonder how the rigidity holds up over time. Working at a robotics company, the mechanical engineers had to overcome quite some challenges to find a compromise between, precision, speed and repeatability. And that was with a metal frame.

My biggest concern is that they use screws over plastic as fasteners: https://github.com/PCrnjak/PAROL6-Desktop-robot-arm/blob/mai... Quote from the manual: > Screws are in this example M3 screws and holes are undersized to 2.7-2.8mm that means that when we screw in the screws we are tapping holes in 3D printed parts. > There are multiple benefits to this: > ● Connection is strongest compared to tapping holes with a…

I've used this technique on several of my projects. The formed threads are strong and reliable. It cuts down assembly steps and BOM. The tight fit means the screws won't back out (like locktite or nylocks). The only downside is they can only be reassembled a few times before they start getting loose, at which point you can either add material (superglue), or just reprint the part.

If you have something you want to reassemble frequently, use inserts. If you're putting it together once and intend to use it that way for a long time, threadforming works fine.

Re: PAROL6 Desktop Robot Arm

#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The AR4 isn't truly hardware open source Being pedantic this isn't either, there's no CAD source files, only stl files. Hopefully that's just an oversight.

For someone that hasn't used a CAD package in 30 years, can you explain the importance of this for me? Is a STL like a JPG is to a RAW in a camera?

Freeware vs. Open-Source. PNG vs. SVG.

Re: PAROL6 Desktop Robot Arm

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post #22
post #5

I wonder how this compares to the AR4 robotic arm ( https://www.anninrobotics.com ). The AR4 isn't truly hardware open source, but my understanding is that it's software agnostic. My biggest question is the full cost for the PAROL6. Their BOM link is 404. I can build the AR4 completely for less than $2000, and for education, that's a very small price for a semi-useful, full 6 axis arm. (Currently, to give a compariso…

Seems like an open-source/DIY or kit (requiring some assembly) for educational applications is great in the context of a class or project where building/fixing/upgrading the robot is the point, and where 3D printing is readily available. If the main purpose is for the robot to do something - the DIY approach is more likely to suffer issues that, without support, may discourage students because they're fussing with/fi…

You're completely right about the DIY vs. Industrial issue. And the reality is that I need both, a DIY solution to teach students "this is how they work, these are the fundamentals, this is how to fix them/change them/operate them." And I also need one that can be hooked up to other machines, and able to be a true industrial robot (not so much with weight capacity, but with reach), and be a true integrated system to show students: "That other one was a toy, now here's how to use a real one in industry."

But I basically now operate in Bureaucratic Hell, and I have to figure out a way to get the equipment to teach my students. And due to changes in how my organization operates, ironically enough, I've found that getting the "professional/educational/industrial" products is often not the right decision.

One of the worst things that can happen is that we buy a $250,000 piece of equipment. The administration will never ever budget for the cost of maintenance, consumables, tooling, training, everything else required to successfully operate it. Within a year, you're stuck with a $250,000 piece of equipment sitting in a corner collecting dust, that is always shown to VIP's on tours as the latest in greatest in what we offer. Oh, and it's so expensive, we're not going to allow students to use it anyway, because we can't let them break it.

And it's amazing, they won't have funding for that $100 tool I need to teach the students and use everyday, but every year they'll manage to find $100,000 to spend, a week before the end of the fiscal year, which we have to spend immediately, but it can only be spent on certain items, like the things that I don't actually need. Welcome to public technical education in America. (Sorry, obviously, you unintentionally touched a nerve.)

But if I can get something that costs $2000, well, I can either fix it myself, or better yet have the students do it I will take something that I know is sustainable, that students can actually put their hands on and operate over that white elephant every day of the week.

In reality, this is all moot. No matter the cost, my budget is effectively zero at the moment. But I can hope.

The $40k was a Universal Robots UR3e I believe. The vendor put it on a cart as a portable, self-contained system.

Re: PAROL6 Desktop Robot Arm

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post #14
post #8

The instructions detail everything including the exact screws/nuts needed. EXCEPT the most important parts, the actual motors! It doesn't give any specs or names or a thing for those. Incredible. Also the BOM info is gone.

Another poster mentioned the BOM link, it's 6 NEMA 17s of various torque ratings.

Hi i am creator of PAROL6, the BOM link is fixed. Also about the bom it will soon be updated in more detail. My focus is now more on software and finishing touches on hardware to make it safe so some changes happen in BOM. That is why is seems "incomplete or rough"

Re: PAROL6 Desktop Robot Arm

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Hi guys I am the creator of PAROL6 arm. I was not aware of this community so if you have any questions feel free to ask me here. Also new video is up explaining more things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiBCbHtvbpE&ab_channel=Sourc... Also anyone interested in building/buying it can sign up on these 2 forms for more updates.

You can sign up here for beta testers (there are a few spots left: https://forms.gle/sZqHVLPoMJxuVAyJ9 This is general form for people interested in control boards, kits, or whole robots: https://forms.gle/XkSvStwnQxw1f8xL8

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