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Are you building a company, or your credentials?

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Re: Are you building a company, or your credentials?

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Lets look at this from the other perspective. That of big companies hiring product teams.

Educating, finding, hiring, training, cultivating and retaining talent is extremely difficult. Companies recruit at colleges, where students have worked hard enough on their credentials to gain admittance and even harder getting good grades and joining clubs and participating in activities. They will identify a few good candidates. They will recruit these candidates, along with every other relevant company. Making offer letters, a few will accept. These will be trained for months, then cultivated for years. Now you've got to get these people to work together in teams, and some of those teams will work out and some will not. Most workers will leave in a few years, some even sooner. Some will grow, advance and go on to become leaders. One will go on to become the company's CEO. The funnel chart on this system is daunting, going from millions of students to one CEO.

On the other hand, Y Combinator will take anyone with a convincing video, the 'right look' (see: Moneyball) and attitude, and gung ho fervor. The program teaches these teammates to work together to build and ship experiments quickly and get real people using them, and then to adapt to new data to conduct new experiments. Upon graduation, the teams get more money to continue conducting experiments as they seek their market. Most are acquired in 'acquihires.' Buying a working team bypasses the lengthy process outlined above. Huge value to the acquirer, and contracts/incentives tie the team up for a few years.

Bottom line: these acquihires are profitable for the acquiring companies, the founders, and Y Combinator. Making the acquihire machine turn does not require an idea, a cohesive team, or much of anything except the ability to successfully complete the training Y Combinator provides. Some companies go on to find a market, the rest get the degree, a bonus and a job.

YC training is boot camp. It is the new Harvard, formed to match post-web realities.

Or something.

* Not asserting Y Combinator discriminates, but any time 3 people in a room make a decision without a lot of hard data on the candidates' performance at that task... bias must enter. This is one checkpoint in a new system.

Re: Are you building a company, or your credentials?

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Getting into and surviving top notch elite business schools requires a whole lot of credentials. The guys and gals that spent their lives accrediting themselves with clubs, sports, extracurriculars now want to join in on the entrepreneur revolution David Fincher crafted for them. To do so they're applying their way of "success" to this new field. Because that's all they know. And as long as there's money, there'll be…

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Re: Are you building a company, or your credentials?

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"I think there is a fundamental difference between going after an initial idea, then pivoting, vs. jumping into entrepreneurship with no idea at all. With the meme of “team and execution are everything”, it’s easy to forget that ideas still matter." I tend to agree. When I founded a chapter of a fraternity at my college, I had a really interesting discussion with the alum who helped us and almost all of the state sta…

Meanwhile at the first pledge class for the Beta fraternity a speech is being given on how followers have it best if we really think about it. In a soothing voice.

Re: Are you building a company, or your credentials?

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Or is life simply a contest to see who can build the most prestigious obituary?" Life is what you make of it. If checking boxes doesn't make you happy, don't do it.

"If checking boxes doesn't make you happy, don't do it." What I'm asking is whether checking boxes really makes anyone happy. I mean, truly happy. Don't get me wrong; I went through a lengthy box-checking phase that lasted about 20 years. Checking a given box made me happy only until the next box appeared on the horizon. The whole thing seemed like a cosmic treadmill. I think there's something admirable in the sheer…

"The whole thing seemed like a cosmic treadmill."

I'd say it's like a video game. Keep trying to beat the current level and move to the next one. Why do people play video games? For the challenge and to pass time. Well, same here. What's the alternative? "Defining oneself on one's own terms" sounds nice but doesn't mean anything really. I'm not riding the treadmill myself but I'd take it any time over existential boredom.

Re: Are you building a company, or your credentials?

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The article makes exactly the right realization: Y Combinator is heading in the direction of scholasticism. I wrote an article recently on this topic, which I quote below:

http://www.exratione.com/2012/01/the-future-of-the-venture-c...

The present direction of some incubators is towards the concept of schools, in the older sense of the word. To some eyes present experiments look like an early stage in the development of a new scholastic institution of practical business development. With well tuned entry requirements such an entity might serve as a filter that allows venture investment in all graduates with comparatively little detailed due diligence, trusting to the quality of the school (the filter) to raise the expectation value of these blanket investments. Experiments in this sort of model are already taking place at Y Combinator, and others will no doubt follow. If they see success, expect to see more rapid movement towards formalized schools of practical entrepreneurship, which will orbit established venture funds to act as feeder mechanisms. You might look on this as a structured, industrial manifestation of the informal process of apprenticeship and networking that always existed in the startup community - and either like it or loathe it for exactly that reason, depending on your tastes.

It is worth remembering that while venture capitalists and organized groups of angel investors can enter the space of incubators-as-schools from one side, existing scholastic institutions can just as well enter it from their side. I can't image that the traditional schools will be any good at this if they do try, given long-standing academic hostilities towards the business of being in business, but some of the younger less hidebound institutions might well be successful. Consider the present University of Phoenix, a future Khan Academy, and a range of other entities establishing their own early stage venture funds, or partnering with venture funds to do something new in this space - it isn't so far fetched an idea.

Note that a more scholastic form of incubator is, to my mind, a very different concept from what I'll call Vingean Scholastics. This is the vision put forward by Vernor Vinge in Fast Times at Fairmont High in which building startups is a part of the curriculum for all young people and at least ramen-level economic success is necessary for graduation at a high school level. Building a business, or at the least a short-term economic success, is how the students pay for school and how the schools earn their keep as businesses themselves. In that fictional near future, this is all a part of teaching young adults how to live in a world of constant, enormously rapid change driven by computational technology, in which the idea of holding down a job doing roughly the same sort of thing for five years is laughable, and everyone must know how to be an entrepreneur in order to flow with the pace of change.

But this too will come to pass, I think, with Vingean Scholastic organizations as another sort of filter to build and channel groups of startup founders - with, collectively, a positive expectation value on investment - towards future forms of venture fund.

Re: Are you building a company, or your credentials?

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post #16

Getting into and surviving top notch elite business schools requires a whole lot of credentials. The guys and gals that spent their lives accrediting themselves with clubs, sports, extracurriculars now want to join in on the entrepreneur revolution David Fincher crafted for them. To do so they're applying their way of "success" to this new field. Because that's all they know. And as long as there's money, there'll be…

The real life equivalent is selling MBAs study guides or coaching seminars for their YC application. Put together an e-book and then buy some ad words, the CPC for a Y combinator application is currently estimated at 10 cents per click. Sell the book for $97 with a 30 day money back guarantee if they don't get accepted.

Something like this?

http://www.hyperink.com/Guide-To-Yc-b1093

Re: Are you building a company, or your credentials?

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The article makes exactly the right realization: Y Combinator is heading in the direction of scholasticism. I wrote an article recently on this topic, which I quote below: http://www.exratione.com/2012/01/the-future-of-the-venture-c... The present direction of some incubators is towards the concept of schools, in the older sense of the word. To some eyes present experiments look like an early stage in the development…

The article makes exactly the right realization: Y Combinator is heading in the direction of scholasticism.

Aren't you just reading into it what you want to read? I don't think that was the point of the article at all.

Anyway, I think that school-like institutions for entrepreneurship with a formal process that you need to go though are destined to fail. They go against everything that entrepreneurship stands for. As soon as they become successful, they will start attracting people, who just go there for credentials, but don't have the actual passion it takes to start a company. The guy in the OP is the best example.

Re: Are you building a company, or your credentials?

#28

The article makes exactly the right realization: Y Combinator is heading in the direction of scholasticism. I wrote an article recently on this topic, which I quote below: http://www.exratione.com/2012/01/the-future-of-the-venture-c... The present direction of some incubators is towards the concept of schools, in the older sense of the word. To some eyes present experiments look like an early stage in the development…

That is well written, congratulations!

Here's a bit of personal disclosure. I did a business degree (marketing major) from a mediocre institution. Immediately after graduation, I started a company. It failed miserably, but I learned significantly more about business killing a company over the course of a year than I learned studying business in a university. My business degree armed me with a dubious credential, a less dubious 'network', and ummm, let me check with a recruiter and get back to you...:)

At first, I thought, "I went to a pretty crappy university, of course I didn't learn much." But, through conversations with friends (some of whom went to 'elite' business schools), I came to realize that business schools in general are pretty crappy.

Perhaps this scholastic incubator is the future of business school? If so, it is a welcome development!

Re: Are you building a company, or your credentials?

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post #21

Lets look at this from the other perspective. That of big companies hiring product teams. Educating, finding, hiring, training, cultivating and retaining talent is extremely difficult. Companies recruit at colleges, where students have worked hard enough on their credentials to gain admittance and even harder getting good grades and joining clubs and participating in activities. They will identify a few good candidat…

Anything that lets us bypass bullshit, makework and proxies-for-things-we-want and instead go directly for substance, realwork, and the-things-we-want, is a good thing and should be done much more of. Also, instead of a "student" throwing $50k at an institution in order to "learn" and gain credentials I'd much rather that the student be paid $50k by an institution and learn and gain a better sort of credentials: building things rather than passing tests. Though I don't agree with exactly how he did it, I suspect this philosophy is similar to the one behind Peter Thiel's recent "20 Under 20" anti-scholarships.

And yes, ideally it's better to be acqui-hired than hired. For a software engineer with the right talent mix it's the difference between being paid $300k for 3 years work (which is nothing to sneeze at, certainly, but you can't retire with it), vs being paid $3-30m+ -- if the upside scenario happens, of course. And these aren't even mutually exclusive choices.

Re: Are you building a company, or your credentials?

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post #21

Lets look at this from the other perspective. That of big companies hiring product teams. Educating, finding, hiring, training, cultivating and retaining talent is extremely difficult. Companies recruit at colleges, where students have worked hard enough on their credentials to gain admittance and even harder getting good grades and joining clubs and participating in activities. They will identify a few good candidat…

Anything that lets us bypass bullshit, makework and proxies-for-things-we-want and instead go directly for substance, realwork, and the-things-we-want, is a good thing and should be done much more of. Also, instead of a "student" throwing $50k at an institution in order to "learn" and gain credentials I'd much rather that the student be paid $50k by an institution and learn and gain a better sort of credentials: buil…

Kind of funny that an acquihire entitles you to housing in the Bay Area, isn't it? For a few hundred grand, you can get a house in an outlying area.
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