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Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by dylan604 »

verdverm wrote: post #14
dylan604 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your job just got eliminated because of an AI opening opportunity, then it very much is threatening your livelihood. Or any of the other various methods it might be threatening. How obtuse do you have to be, or how much kool-aid have you been drinking to not be able to see the ways of threatening?

I just got offered a new job, because AI opened new roles, how does this fit with your world model?

My whole comment started with "IF", but you clearly just want to be argumentative rather than taking things in the spirit in which they intended. To be so gleeful and happy about whatever topic to be ignorantly, or worse, willingly to not understand that some changes have negative impacts just make you someone I do not wish to continue a conversation

Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by Frannyies »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #13

AI risk is a spectacularization of a new source of wealth When agriculture and then fossil fuels + supercharged agriculture with petro-fertilizer allowed humanity to become 100x more productive, the owners of the land & capital managed to capture the gains almost entirely, leaving the proletariat powerless except for their labor, and still struggling to survive despite the enormous windfall in energy Now that AI is o…

Let's see. Currently out poor have it better than kings 200 years ago.

(At least in Germany)

I don't say this is fair just that it's easier for a society to increase the base level for everyone

Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #13

AI risk is a spectacularization of a new source of wealth When agriculture and then fossil fuels + supercharged agriculture with petro-fertilizer allowed humanity to become 100x more productive, the owners of the land & capital managed to capture the gains almost entirely, leaving the proletariat powerless except for their labor, and still struggling to survive despite the enormous windfall in energy Now that AI is o…

>AI risk is a spectacularization of a new source of wealth

Only if society allows the use of AIs that have been trained on content for which they didn't have the legal rights to use for that purpose (basically theft).

Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

Frannyies wrote: post #22
jazzyjackson wrote: post #13

AI risk is a spectacularization of a new source of wealth When agriculture and then fossil fuels + supercharged agriculture with petro-fertilizer allowed humanity to become 100x more productive, the owners of the land & capital managed to capture the gains almost entirely, leaving the proletariat powerless except for their labor, and still struggling to survive despite the enormous windfall in energy Now that AI is o…

Let's see. Currently out poor have it better than kings 200 years ago. (At least in Germany) I don't say this is fair just that it's easier for a society to increase the base level for everyone

>Currently out poor have it better than kings 200 years ago. (At least in Germany)

Only if you look at medical and technical advancements, but objectively, kings in Germany had the amount of land and real estate that the modern German can only dream of.

Sure, we have iPhones and Netflix which kings didn't have, but they had the valuable apprecaible assets the we don't have.

Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by verdverm »

dylan604 wrote: post #21
verdverm wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just got offered a new job, because AI opened new roles, how does this fit with your world model?

My whole comment started with "IF", but you clearly just want to be argumentative rather than taking things in the spirit in which they intended. To be so gleeful and happy about whatever topic to be ignorantly, or worse, willingly to not understand that some changes have negative impacts just make you someone I do not wish to continue a conversation

> you clearly just want to be argumentative

Looking to my original comment, I think that this argumentativeness began with your first reply

> willingly to not understand that some changes have negative impacts

I stated clearly that advancement comes with both positive and negative, it seems perhaps you are not understanding or considering any positives here?

Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by ml-anon »

Its wild that a guy who was demoted and fired for bullying and abusing staff over the course of a decade as well as overseeing almost certainly illegal misuse of NHS patient data that caused Google to shut down DM health and made the landscape so toxic they eventually shuttered Google Health still has a seat at the table. I'd say shame on The Guardian for this breathless puff piece but...its The Guardian.

Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by dylan604 »

Lacerda69 wrote: post #18
dylan604 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I wholly expect everyone to clone themselves a couple of thousand times Unless each of those clones can upload the unique experiences to my original self so that the original me gains from those experiences, then what's the point of the clone? Just build a generic robot. The only caveat would be if that clone is just doing boring drone work but solely based on the abilities of the original me, but please, do not upl…

what the point of a robot? just have a kid, it's more flexible and smart than any robot in the forseeable future

just wow. have you got some twisted morals.

Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by Loughla »

bananapub wrote: post #17
verdverm wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know people always say this for every new technology? yet here we are with more jobs than ever and low unemployment the tl;dr is that more jobs will be created than lost, and those jobs will be more interesting and not of the bs job variety many report they work. Also, what's wrong with a world where most people don't have to work uninspiring tasks and can rather explore other interests or hobbies?

what does any of this have to do with my question? society as a whole is usually better off by such things, are mass-unemployed farriers in 1920? edit: I do also feel the zeitgeist on HN will be extremely different from this "people will adapt, it's good overall" vibe once it's very-well-paid SWEs that are being affected en masse by this stuff

Your last sentence - I 100% agree with you. The general theme here is that AI will impact other people in some fashion, but they can re-train and get better jobs!

But it seems to me that software engineers should be very, very nervous about this. Creating things using novel means within well-established and documented/testable boundaries like programming languages seems like something that our current models will absolutely be able to do, if they can't already.

Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by verdverm »

bananapub wrote: post #17
verdverm wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know people always say this for every new technology? yet here we are with more jobs than ever and low unemployment the tl;dr is that more jobs will be created than lost, and those jobs will be more interesting and not of the bs job variety many report they work. Also, what's wrong with a world where most people don't have to work uninspiring tasks and can rather explore other interests or hobbies?

what does any of this have to do with my question? society as a whole is usually better off by such things, are mass-unemployed farriers in 1920? edit: I do also feel the zeitgeist on HN will be extremely different from this "people will adapt, it's good overall" vibe once it's very-well-paid SWEs that are being affected en masse by this stuff

> what does any of this have to do with my question?

I would ask the same of your original reply

By contrast, I replied directly to your question with my answer

Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by joncrocks »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #23
jazzyjackson wrote: post #13

AI risk is a spectacularization of a new source of wealth When agriculture and then fossil fuels + supercharged agriculture with petro-fertilizer allowed humanity to become 100x more productive, the owners of the land & capital managed to capture the gains almost entirely, leaving the proletariat powerless except for their labor, and still struggling to survive despite the enormous windfall in energy Now that AI is o…

>AI risk is a spectacularization of a new source of wealth Only if society allows the use of AIs that have been trained on content for which they didn't have the legal rights to use for that purpose (basically theft).

What legal rights are currently required for training on data?

(As opposed to precise-reproduction in output, covered by copyright)

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