Apology from Geeklist • Hacker News Board

Re: Apology from Geeklist

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Post by phwd » Thu, Mar 22, 2012, 5:27 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #5

I could care less about Geeklist but from a purely analytical perspective: this is so "how not to write an apology" that someone ought to take it apart and do an annotated version of it as a lesson to the community. It literally starts out in its first sentence by undermining itself. Incidentally, publicly threatening the job of someone who criticizes you (as a tit-for-tat for them "threatening your brand") is one of…

I guess this is how it should be done yes?

Be humble, always give apologies no matter how offensive the messenger/complainer/customer?

Unfortunately, not every one has this skill and I hope some will realize that at some point you cannot give in.

Geeklist is the villain for giving in and letting it slide downhill (it is always a PR disaster after it hits the fan) but Kane was first to throw the rock. You don't win the argument by showing how angry you can be, you win it by being the most civilized and logical about it. This isn't a "Lighten Up" situation, this is a mind your tone and I can understand the serious nature of the issue without it.

Re: Apology from Geeklist

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Post by lzm » Thu, Mar 22, 2012, 5:28 PM UTC

joshu wrote: post #18

Can someone do a TLDR on the video?

Or better, a link to the video itself?

Re: Apology from Geeklist

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Post by tptacek » Thu, Mar 22, 2012, 5:29 PM UTC

phwd wrote: post #21

tptacek wrote: post #5

I could care less about Geeklist but from a purely analytical perspective: this is so "how not to write an apology" that someone ought to take it apart and do an annotated version of it as a lesson to the community. It literally starts out in its first sentence by undermining itself. Incidentally, publicly threatening the job of someone who criticizes you (as a tit-for-tat for them "threatening your brand") is one of…

I guess this is how it should be done yes? Be humble, always give apologies no matter how offensive the messenger/complainer/customer? Unfortunately, not every one has this skill and I hope some will realize that at some point you cannot give in. Geeklist is the villain for giving in and letting it slide downhill (it is always a PR disaster after it hits the fan) but Kane was first to throw the rock. You don't win th…

If you think there was no reason for her to publicly complain about that video, or that calling it "fucking disgusting" was so out-of-bounds that her behavior was comparable to threatening her job, then there's really nothing about this situation for you or I to discuss productively.

Either way, my point wasn't so much the specifics of this situation as how jaw-droppingly ineffective that particular apology was. You don't even have to know what they're apologizing for to see it.

Re: Apology from Geeklist

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Post by ghurlman » Thu, Mar 22, 2012, 5:30 PM UTC

untog wrote: post #19

Hm, I wonder if this will be deleted as well? The two submissions of the Storify article were: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3740378 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3739913 I'm a little concerned/confused as to why. If the apology is HN-appropriate content then I'm a little surprised that the reason for the apology isn't.

Well, if that isn't a bunch of BS, then I don't know what is. I'm guessing a flag army took care of them, but there's no way to know from here.

Re: Apology from Geeklist

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Post by Yarnage » Thu, Mar 22, 2012, 5:32 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #5

I could care less about Geeklist but from a purely analytical perspective: this is so "how not to write an apology" that someone ought to take it apart and do an annotated version of it as a lesson to the community. It literally starts out in its first sentence by undermining itself. Incidentally, publicly threatening the job of someone who criticizes you (as a tit-for-tat for them "threatening your brand") is one of…

You COULDN'T case less.

Re: Apology from Geeklist

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Post by untog » Thu, Mar 22, 2012, 5:33 PM UTC

ghurlman wrote: post #24

untog wrote: post #19

Hm, I wonder if this will be deleted as well? The two submissions of the Storify article were: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3740378 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3739913 I'm a little concerned/confused as to why. If the apology is HN-appropriate content then I'm a little surprised that the reason for the apology isn't.

Well, if that isn't a bunch of BS, then I don't know what is. I'm guessing a flag army took care of them, but there's no way to know from here.

Yes- if it was a flag army removing the content then that itself says something concerning about the Hacker News community.

Re: Apology from Geeklist

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Post by cdrxndr » Thu, Mar 22, 2012, 5:34 PM UTC

Ignoring the issue/apology, I find it incredibly off-putting that the designer who got up in arms about a racy video promoting Geeklist promotes t-shirts with a pantless woman on her home, FAQ, and Pricing pages: http://www.designlikewhoa.com/

Focusing on the issue, I would say we are no better off now than before the Twitter flame-war. A personal appeal and open discussion probably would have helped, though.

And oh - her site gets a lot of attention now. That's cool.

Re: Apology from Geeklist

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Post by abraham » Thu, Mar 22, 2012, 5:40 PM UTC

ghurlman wrote: post #10

I expected at least a reference to them taking down one of their repos[1] to hide further criticism, but found none. [1] https://github.com/geeklist/jennifer

What was it?

Re: Apology from Geeklist

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Post by zalew » Thu, Mar 22, 2012, 5:40 PM UTC

lzm wrote: post #22

joshu wrote: post #18

Can someone do a TLDR on the video?

Or better, a link to the video itself?

it was here http://vimeo.com/27758336

tldw: a cute girl in panties and a tshirt with geeklist logo.

Re: Apology from Geeklist

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Post by scott_s » Thu, Mar 22, 2012, 5:42 PM UTC

Against my better judgement, I figured out what this whole thing was about in the first place: http://storify.com/charlesarthur/oh-hai-sexism