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Re: Every aspiring writer should read terrible books (2022) [video]

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Also I recommend reading mediocre books. Especially first time authors. They're the best way to be on the other side of someone reading your first book. It's easy for anyone with a college education to avoid being truly terrible, but the middling eternity of mediocrity is a far harder to navigate out of.

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The man is an absolute treasure. A group of friends and I used to have a terrible book club. We read a lot of crap but it made me better understand what I valued in good writing. It was fun and surprisingly insightful.

am interested, do you have a listing of terrible books?

For an intentionally terrible book, there's Atlanta Nights (https://archive.org/details/atlantanights0000teat ). A bunch of authors got together to write the worst book possible. It has pretty much every kind of awful prose in existence, including an early case of AI generation.

For awful but readable books:

Most anything by Dan Brown, but for the audience here, Digital Fortress will make you tear your hair out in frustration if you know anything at all about cryptography. The climax of the book seems to be made for a movie and is a completely nonsensical sequence in which people stare at a screen showing attackers breaking through a firewall, as if it were a wall that can be slowly drilled through.

For me that was the book that did it. If Dan Brown couldn't take 10 minutes to research the simplest basics of the subject he based his book around, imagine what the quality of the rest of the work is like.

Ender's Game I rate as a fairly enjoyable but puerile teenage power fantasy. But after that comes Speaker for the Dead, which to me is absolutely awful. Ender turns into this insufferably saintly martyr, who acts as some sort of Gordon Ramsay, only fixing an awful colony instead of a restaurant. Everyone in the book is insufferable and a complete moron, except for Ender of course who knows how to fix all those awful people. Oh, and it justifies domestic abuse.

And maybe Battlefield Earth. I've never read the entire thing, but here's a quote:

“His valet! In the rush of getting him off, his clumsy damned valet had put the wrong boots on him. Oh, when he got home ... when he got home he would have the oaf punctured! Worse. Dragged through the streets and bitten to death by small children.”

Re: Every aspiring writer should read terrible books (2022) [video]

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am interested, do you have a listing of terrible books?

We never kept a list, but 50 Shades, Flowers in the Attic, the Greg Brady Autobiography and Satanic Panic were some notables. Everyone had their own taste for bad writing and read from books like Heroes Are My Weakness to others like A Billionaire Dinosaur Forced Me Gay (which actually turned out to be a big crowd pleaser).

> A Billionaire Dinosaur Forced Me Gay

I just read that one, bought straight from Amazon. It's so bad that it made me chuckle.

> Which actually turned out to be a big crowd pleaser

Crowds are weird.

Re: Every aspiring writer should read terrible books (2022) [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

am interested, do you have a listing of terrible books?

For an intentionally terrible book, there's Atlanta Nights ( https://archive.org/details/atlantanights0000teat ). A bunch of authors got together to write the worst book possible. It has pretty much every kind of awful prose in existence, including an early case of AI generation. For awful but readable books: Most anything by Dan Brown, but for the audience here, Digital Fortress will make you tear your hair out in f…

Battlefield Earth brings back a memory: it was the first book I had read where I realised that authors can have serious mental problems.

Most books are written by sane, intelligent, and educated people. The books you'll read in a high school library are also curated by librarians. There's an expectation of quality you don't notice until suddenly you pick up a book at the local council library authored by someone with some serious untreated mental issues.

After that revelation I started noticing the author of a book instead of just paying attention to the content of the book.

Similarly to L Ron Hubbard, I found The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant by Stephen R. Donaldson impossible to finish. There's something deeply wrong about him that I can't quite put my finger on. (I did finish his Gap Cycle series, but felt dirty in my brain after.)

I picked up The Dragonriders of Pern series based purely on the dragon on the cover and just started reading. A few chapters in, I though to myself: "This is written by a woman, isn't it?", flipped to the cover page and lo-and-behold: "Anne McCaffrey" -- I had guessed correctly!

Re: Every aspiring writer should read terrible books (2022) [video]

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I used to do standup comedy at the mostly amateur level. One woman who was always at the same shows was so unfunny, she could suck the life out of any room. I always tried to study her, thinking that if I could understand the essence of why she was so deeply unfunny, I could understand the secret to being funny. Sadly I could never figure it out. Her unfunniness was inscrutable.

I've never done standup but am a big fan and want to try at some point. I'm glad you mentioned your experience, this thread made me think of the show "Kill Tony" (a podcast where randomly selected comedians do 60 seconds). The quality of comedians ranges from terrible to excellent, but I feel watching those terrible performances has taught me more about the art form than I could have learned only watching headliners who've perfected the craft. The line between weirding everyone out and making them laugh is a fine one, and it helps to see many examples of people failing to fall on the right side.

Re: Every aspiring writer should read terrible books (2022) [video]

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So, reading really bad code should aspire great developers, right?

There's always someone to defend some of the bad APIs in, say, PHP, so that might be indicative that we could face the issue that being able to tell when some code's bad is already a gated skill, compared to being able to tell that a book is written badly

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For an intentionally terrible book, there's Atlanta Nights ( https://archive.org/details/atlantanights0000teat ). A bunch of authors got together to write the worst book possible. It has pretty much every kind of awful prose in existence, including an early case of AI generation. For awful but readable books: Most anything by Dan Brown, but for the audience here, Digital Fortress will make you tear your hair out in f…

Battlefield Earth brings back a memory: it was the first book I had read where I realised that authors can have serious mental problems. Most books are written by sane, intelligent, and educated people. The books you'll read in a high school library are also curated by librarians. There's an expectation of quality you don't notice until suddenly you pick up a book at the local council library authored by someone with…

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