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Da Vinci robot surgeon removes inoperable tumor, saving patient’s life

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Re: Da Vinci robot surgeon removes inoperable tumor, saving patient’s life

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I have been hearing about Da Vinci for years and Wikipedia says it was being for 200,000 surgeries back in 2012. [0] The manufacturer claims there are about 7000 of the units. Is this remarkable? I would imagine that it saves thousands of lives a year. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_Vinci_Surgical_System

Yes, but it's the most precious lives. The lives of those who can afford it.

Re: Da Vinci robot surgeon removes inoperable tumor, saving patient’s life

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Anyone know more about robot assist systems in general? Are there similar systems for performing delicate assembly operations on a production line? (Non medical) The die binders that I used to use had physical motion reduction systems - are there more general versions of these available?

I do work for the competition (medical).

There should be, but no idea

Re: Da Vinci robot surgeon removes inoperable tumor, saving patient’s life

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Robotic head and neck surgery is routine at major medical centers all over. Da Vinci has been around for many years and it is human controlled. I’m glad this patient was helped but there is absolutely nothing interesting otherwise about this.

What an amazing world we live in. There is nothing interesting about a robotic assisted surgery able to perform more delicate and sophisticated operations than the best human surgeon in the world.

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Re: Da Vinci robot surgeon removes inoperable tumor, saving patient’s life

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post #21

I have been hearing about Da Vinci for years and Wikipedia says it was being for 200,000 surgeries back in 2012. [0] The manufacturer claims there are about 7000 of the units. Is this remarkable? I would imagine that it saves thousands of lives a year. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_Vinci_Surgical_System

Yes, but it's the most precious lives. The lives of those who can afford it.

This surgery happened in Canada, where there is universal health care.

Re: Da Vinci robot surgeon removes inoperable tumor, saving patient’s life

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post #21

I have been hearing about Da Vinci for years and Wikipedia says it was being for 200,000 surgeries back in 2012. [0] The manufacturer claims there are about 7000 of the units. Is this remarkable? I would imagine that it saves thousands of lives a year. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_Vinci_Surgical_System

Yes, but it's the most precious lives. The lives of those who can afford it.

Not on civilised countries. There the robots do save everybodies lifes.

Re: Da Vinci robot surgeon removes inoperable tumor, saving patient’s life

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What an amazing world we live in. There is nothing interesting about a robotic assisted surgery able to perform more delicate and sophisticated operations than the best human surgeon in the world.

>What an amazing world we live in. The kind of amazing where untold millions of people can't afford basic healthcare in the same country that we have a robot surgeon?

Yea, amazing, not perfect.

If DaVinci hadn’t developed the robot, would more people be able to afford health care?

Re: Da Vinci robot surgeon removes inoperable tumor, saving patient’s life

#27

Anyone know more about robot assist systems in general? Are there similar systems for performing delicate assembly operations on a production line? (Non medical) The die binders that I used to use had physical motion reduction systems - are there more general versions of these available?

You don't probably want delicate assembly operations on production lines. You do everything possible in designing what ever you are building to not do them.

On other hand, multi-axial CNC machines and various welding robots are quite amazing.

Re: Da Vinci robot surgeon removes inoperable tumor, saving patient’s life

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but it's the most precious lives. The lives of those who can afford it.

This surgery happened in Canada, where there is universal health care.

The universal health care in Canada is a little overrated:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/11/canada-cases-r...

Re: Da Vinci robot surgeon removes inoperable tumor, saving patient’s life

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“Surgeon removes tumor using current best practices” doesn’t sound so exciting, but is actually more amazing. These devices have made some hard surgeries much more doable.

In this case, it's about a "inoperable tumor" so I'm guessing a human hand wouldn't be able to do it at all. That's what makes this particular case more amazing.

The article states it would have required breaking the jaw in two.

So it was doable but as the article states "no one was lining up"

Re: Da Vinci robot surgeon removes inoperable tumor, saving patient’s life

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What an amazing world we live in. The kind of amazing where untold millions of people can't afford basic healthcare in the same country that we have a robot surgeon?

Yea, amazing, not perfect. If DaVinci hadn’t developed the robot, would more people be able to afford health care?

If we were spending more on spreading the basics and less on 'nice to have' robots, yes.
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