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SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance

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Re: SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance

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Post by 38 »

"Throughout the entire duration the AV is stopped, traffic remains unblocked and flowing to the right of the AV," a Cruise spokesperson said in a statement. "The ambulance behind the AV had a clear path to pass the AV as other vehicles, including another ambulance, proceeded to do."

Cruise seems to be ignorant of the law here. the law is: YOU GET OUT OF THE WAY of emergency vehicles, period. unless you are "landlocked" by other cars, you get the fuck out of the way, so that they can do their job. it is not acceptable to say "well the other lanes were clear, so its the ambulance fault. most human drivers instinctively know this.

Re: SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance

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Post by prosody »

sshine wrote: post #8

Until further investigated, this is FUD.

The term FUD makes sense in low-risk applications where the benefit of the doubt ought to be given. In safety-critical contexts it should be completely reversed, and confidence, certainty and trust should be looked at extremely critically.

Re: SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance

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Post by pests »

statop wrote: post #15
sshine wrote: post #8

Until further investigated, this is FUD.

It isn't FUD, it's dumb autonomous vehicles won't get out of the way. Just force them to allow human intervention, a person gets in and moves it. What's the big deal? It shouldn't even be restricted to emergency personnel. If people steal them Cruise can file charges and consider it an expense of doing business.

I'm bearish on self driving usually but this seems blown out of porportions.

1) I don't think it was in the way. A lane was open to the right lane but it waited 90s for a firetruck to move in the left lane before it continued on.

2) If I am paying for a ride in a Cruise and some random person hops in the front seat to "relocate" the car because it is inconviencing them - I will not be happy. Safety issue, etc.

3) We don't know if the patient would have died anyways. It was only a 90 second delay.

4) "after" in the title is being used as temporally after. There were a lot of things that happened before you could attribute to the cause of death - signaling out this one is sensationalist.

Re: SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance

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Post by fuelfive »

coding123 wrote: post #7
reed1234 wrote: post #2

While it’s bad that the ambulance was blocked for 90 seconds, the title makes it seem like the person died because the ambulance was blocked- which is uncertain.

Title says after not because...

By this logic, the title would be equally correct if they wrote "Jimmy Buffet Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance"

Re: SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance

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Post by vidanay »

coding123 wrote: post #7
reed1234 wrote: post #2

While it’s bad that the ambulance was blocked for 90 seconds, the title makes it seem like the person died because the ambulance was blocked- which is uncertain.

Title says after not because...

"Man dies after being shot in the head."

The causation/correlation is strong in that type of sentence.

Re: SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance

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Post by pests »

38 wrote: post #21

"Throughout the entire duration the AV is stopped, traffic remains unblocked and flowing to the right of the AV," a Cruise spokesperson said in a statement. "The ambulance behind the AV had a clear path to pass the AV as other vehicles, including another ambulance, proceeded to do." Cruise seems to be ignorant of the law here. the law is: YOU GET OUT OF THE WAY of emergency vehicles, period. unless you are "landlocke…

I was taught to allow the ambulance to manuever and do what it needs to do. It will drive the wrong direction down a road, hop onto curbs, drive on sidewalks, etc. They have trainining and experience in this type of driving.

It sounds like moving to the other lane would have just blocked another ambulance. What is the procedure here?

Re: SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance

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Post by [deleted] »

38 wrote: post #21

"Throughout the entire duration the AV is stopped, traffic remains unblocked and flowing to the right of the AV," a Cruise spokesperson said in a statement. "The ambulance behind the AV had a clear path to pass the AV as other vehicles, including another ambulance, proceeded to do." Cruise seems to be ignorant of the law here. the law is: YOU GET OUT OF THE WAY of emergency vehicles, period. unless you are "landlocke…

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Re: SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance

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Post by blincoln »

smugma wrote: post #3

I think SFFD is rightfully worried about robotaxis but this doesn’t seem to be the case. When cameras are recording everything, you can’t just make up facts. “The video captured by Cruise showed that the ambulance parked behind the Cruise and did not attempt to pass the robotaxi in the rightmost unblocked lane. Instead, responders moved a firetruck to allow the ambulance to pass on the left. The video, which Cruise d…

I think the safe default assumption is that if the ambulance driver didn't use the right lane, there was probably a good reason. Clearly the firetruck driver agreed with them. Maybe traffic was moving so quickly that they'd have to accelerate hard and risk hurting the patient, or they were concerned about getting rear-ended. Regardless, Cruise's vehicle clearly was at fault for not getting out of the way.

Re: SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance

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Post by statop »

smugma wrote: post #3

I think SFFD is rightfully worried about robotaxis but this doesn’t seem to be the case. When cameras are recording everything, you can’t just make up facts. “The video captured by Cruise showed that the ambulance parked behind the Cruise and did not attempt to pass the robotaxi in the rightmost unblocked lane. Instead, responders moved a firetruck to allow the ambulance to pass on the left. The video, which Cruise d…

Ok so the guys and gals who we pay to save your life are saying they're getting in the way. But MLRoboCorporation(TM)(c)(r) says fuck those guys, they can go around?

I think I'll side with the humans on this one, let them take control of the vehicle.

I don't care how much money Kyle Vogt loses to car theft, that's not my problem. Clearly this industry needs to get regulated hard.

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