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Re: LIBS confirms the presence of sulphur on the lunar surface

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Post by innagadadavida »

haltingproblem wrote: post #18
vaidhy wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not think that is what the author intended - "You want your home country to do well but at the same time you are hyperaware of its numerous deficiencies." I am aware of the deficiencies, but also very aware of the progress being made. There is no magic wand to wave to make people not be like people and change a vast, diverse population into something they are not.

So what you are saying is that the numerous deficiencies are *intrinsic* to India (and Indians) by extension and will never go away? Is is about their DNA (nature) or their culture (nurture)? What is about "a vast, diverse population into something they are not" ? Are you saying India can not be a middle-ish income country like China/Thailand/Malyasia etc. I would like to believe that wise choices by the electorate a…

I'd like to look at some data on people movements before making up hypotheses and theories. What we have seen is that more people are moving out of India than into the country (other than some poor migrants from places like Bangladesh). What do you think that this data is telling - not about the people (it is easy to blame them for not being patriotic etc). but about the judgements these people have made of the situation? In my opinion, people prefer comfort and lesser competition over grinding it out and this is a universal preference. Denying this basic fact will not help you come up with solutions to the problem - just wishing "if all the people would choose to stay and grind it out, then the country will have more progress" is not a viable solution.

Re: LIBS confirms the presence of sulphur on the lunar surface

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Post by perihelions »

penguin_booze wrote: post #15
dxbydt wrote: post #4

There's a flurry on new info. In particular the variance of surface temperature at the lunar south pole, from 60 degree Celsius on the lunar surface, to -10 degree Celsius if you probe just 8cm below the surface https://nitter.net/pic/orig/media%2FF4hsyEQaEAAB-AS.png A whole seventy degree temperature difference over such a small height delta. There were a bunch of scientists trying to explain this on Indian news TV…

On that graph: isn't it conventional for the independent variable (in this case, depth) to be on the x-axis?

But "depth" is literally the down direction, so I think it's also acceptable to do this y/x thing. I've seen this choice in other places too,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Standard_Atmosphere#/medi...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Titan#/media/File:T...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermocline#/media/File:Thermo...

Re: LIBS confirms the presence of sulphur on the lunar surface

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Post by denton-scratch »

haltingproblem wrote: post #18
vaidhy wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not think that is what the author intended - "You want your home country to do well but at the same time you are hyperaware of its numerous deficiencies." I am aware of the deficiencies, but also very aware of the progress being made. There is no magic wand to wave to make people not be like people and change a vast, diverse population into something they are not.

So what you are saying is that the numerous deficiencies are *intrinsic* to India (and Indians) by extension and will never go away? Is is about their DNA (nature) or their culture (nurture)? What is about "a vast, diverse population into something they are not" ? Are you saying India can not be a middle-ish income country like China/Thailand/Malyasia etc. I would like to believe that wise choices by the electorate a…

> Is is about their DNA (nature) or their culture (nurture)?

It's always about culture.

The British Empire employed a strategy of divide-and-rule: it encouraged and amplified the caste system, and also encouraged the partitioning of society along religious lines. On top of that, it layered the English class system, and a horribly-botched partition.

I don't mean to imply that Indians don't have agency; they've had 80 years to fix the mess the Empire left them with, but things are getting worse (IMO).

I don't like empires. I look forward to the breakup of Great Britain. I think the USA is struggling to hold itself together. Most complaints about China are about the imperial domination of ethnically-distinct regions by the Han. The current war in Europe is a war of imperial conquest. I wonder whether India might be too big and diverse to manage, too?

Re: LIBS confirms the presence of sulphur on the lunar surface

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Post by lacy_tinpot »

denton-scratch wrote: post #23
haltingproblem wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what you are saying is that the numerous deficiencies are *intrinsic* to India (and Indians) by extension and will never go away? Is is about their DNA (nature) or their culture (nurture)? What is about "a vast, diverse population into something they are not" ? Are you saying India can not be a middle-ish income country like China/Thailand/Malyasia etc. I would like to believe that wise choices by the electorate a…

> Is is about their DNA (nature) or their culture (nurture)? It's always about culture. The British Empire employed a strategy of divide-and-rule: it encouraged and amplified the caste system, and also encouraged the partitioning of society along religious lines. On top of that, it layered the English class system, and a horribly-botched partition. I don't mean to imply that Indians don't have agency; they've had 80…

Things are getting worse? On what metric?

Re: LIBS confirms the presence of sulphur on the lunar surface

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Post by nxten »

innagadadavida wrote: post #21
haltingproblem wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what you are saying is that the numerous deficiencies are *intrinsic* to India (and Indians) by extension and will never go away? Is is about their DNA (nature) or their culture (nurture)? What is about "a vast, diverse population into something they are not" ? Are you saying India can not be a middle-ish income country like China/Thailand/Malyasia etc. I would like to believe that wise choices by the electorate a…

I'd like to look at some data on people movements before making up hypotheses and theories. What we have seen is that more people are moving out of India than into the country (other than some poor migrants from places like Bangladesh). What do you think that this data is telling - not about the people (it is easy to blame them for not being patriotic etc). but about the judgements these people have made of the situa…

Germany has the brain drain problem too, what does that tell you? People are greedy. period.

Re: LIBS confirms the presence of sulphur on the lunar surface

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Post by dxbydt »

penguin_booze wrote: post #15
dxbydt wrote: post #4

There's a flurry on new info. In particular the variance of surface temperature at the lunar south pole, from 60 degree Celsius on the lunar surface, to -10 degree Celsius if you probe just 8cm below the surface https://nitter.net/pic/orig/media%2FF4hsyEQaEAAB-AS.png A whole seventy degree temperature difference over such a small height delta. There were a bunch of scientists trying to explain this on Indian news TV…

On that graph: isn't it conventional for the independent variable (in this case, depth) to be on the x-axis?

https://www.dataanalytics.org.uk/reversing-the-axis-of-an-ex...

"sometimes you want to make a plot that reflects the real situation rather than a plain mathematical one"

Re: LIBS confirms the presence of sulphur on the lunar surface

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Post by __rito__ »

dxbydt wrote: post #4

There's a flurry on new info. In particular the variance of surface temperature at the lunar south pole, from 60 degree Celsius on the lunar surface, to -10 degree Celsius if you probe just 8cm below the surface https://nitter.net/pic/orig/media%2FF4hsyEQaEAAB-AS.png A whole seventy degree temperature difference over such a small height delta. There were a bunch of scientists trying to explain this on Indian news TV…

What does this point to- https://urlis.net/npi7rk3q?

Can't access it. Could you please share the original link or a link that works?

Re: LIBS confirms the presence of sulphur on the lunar surface

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Post by dxbydt »

__rito__ wrote: post #29
dxbydt wrote: post #4

There's a flurry on new info. In particular the variance of surface temperature at the lunar south pole, from 60 degree Celsius on the lunar surface, to -10 degree Celsius if you probe just 8cm below the surface https://nitter.net/pic/orig/media%2FF4hsyEQaEAAB-AS.png A whole seventy degree temperature difference over such a small height delta. There were a bunch of scientists trying to explain this on Indian news TV…

What does this point to- https://urlis.net/npi7rk3q ? Can't access it. Could you please share the original link or a link that works?

looks like HN hug-of-death, sorry about that.

https://www.indiatoday.in/science/chandrayaan-3/story/chandr...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMbpU_viwvA

https://www.latestly.com/agency-news/india-news-vikram-lande...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrr1-XrCoDU

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