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Sal Khan: How AI could save (not destroy) education [video]

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Re: Sal Khan: How AI could save (not destroy) education [video]

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Post by seanhunter »

routerl wrote: post #14

So, Khan Academy is experimenting with providing every student with (what they call) a "personal tutor". Examples given are: in coding and math, identifying potential mistakes in partial solutions, and suggesting how the student might get unstuck; in literature, an AI impersonates characters in a novel so the student can ask them questions (e.g. "Mr. Gatsby, why do you keep staring at that green light?"); in writing,…

I don’t think it’s ever safe to procnosticate on the basis that something is “Just an efficiency increase”. Plenty of tech that is just an efficiency increase has ended up having profound impact on society.

Re: Sal Khan: How AI could save (not destroy) education [video]

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Post by TheCaptain4815 »

logicchains wrote: post #10

One of the biggest factors impacting education outcomes is students per teacher. Students tutored one-on-one learn better than students in small classes, and students in small classes learn better than students in large classes. Because if there are fewer students per teacher, the teacher can devote more time and attention to each student. AI promises to put a decent one-on-one tutor in the hands of every student for…

Decent? These current LLMs have more knowledge than every teacher on the planet combined. I’m very hopeful to see what finetuned models come out on top of the base gpt4 or lama

Re: Sal Khan: How AI could save (not destroy) education [video]

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Post by morelisp »

routerl wrote: post #14

So, Khan Academy is experimenting with providing every student with (what they call) a "personal tutor". Examples given are: in coding and math, identifying potential mistakes in partial solutions, and suggesting how the student might get unstuck; in literature, an AI impersonates characters in a novel so the student can ask them questions (e.g. "Mr. Gatsby, why do you keep staring at that green light?"); in writing,…

> the student can ask them questions (e.g. "Mr. Gatsby, why do you keep staring at that green light?")

We are removing the last vestiges of empathy and interiority from our reading process? Good good, carry on then.

Re: Sal Khan: How AI could save (not destroy) education [video]

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Post by akasakahakada »

seanhunter wrote: post #21
routerl wrote: post #14

So, Khan Academy is experimenting with providing every student with (what they call) a "personal tutor". Examples given are: in coding and math, identifying potential mistakes in partial solutions, and suggesting how the student might get unstuck; in literature, an AI impersonates characters in a novel so the student can ask them questions (e.g. "Mr. Gatsby, why do you keep staring at that green light?"); in writing,…

I don’t think it’s ever safe to procnosticate on the basis that something is “Just an efficiency increase”. Plenty of tech that is just an efficiency increase has ended up having profound impact on society.

And efficiency is everything. People defending bad education system using "gov has no money" "country has no teacher" excuses while the higher education is pumping out unemployed graduates every year. They can act more actively to make teacher as an job option to people. They just don't like problem being solved. Now GPT4 personal tutor exist, make them no excuse to not provide better education to people.

Re: Sal Khan: How AI could save (not destroy) education [video]

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Post by JimtheCoder »

TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #22
logicchains wrote: post #10

One of the biggest factors impacting education outcomes is students per teacher. Students tutored one-on-one learn better than students in small classes, and students in small classes learn better than students in large classes. Because if there are fewer students per teacher, the teacher can devote more time and attention to each student. AI promises to put a decent one-on-one tutor in the hands of every student for…

Decent? These current LLMs have more knowledge than every teacher on the planet combined. I’m very hopeful to see what finetuned models come out on top of the base gpt4 or lama

But is it just knowledge or is it the human connection that makes a difference?

Students have access to all the information they need on Calculus through Google and other resources, for instance, but actually sitting down with a living, breathing human being and having them help you through your troubles...to me, that cannot be replaced with an AI.

If access to knowledge was all we needed to acquire and maintain intelligence in a specific area, we would all be a lot smarter...

Re: Sal Khan: How AI could save (not destroy) education [video]

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Post by ramesh31 »

logicchains wrote: post #10

One of the biggest factors impacting education outcomes is students per teacher. Students tutored one-on-one learn better than students in small classes, and students in small classes learn better than students in large classes. Because if there are fewer students per teacher, the teacher can devote more time and attention to each student. AI promises to put a decent one-on-one tutor in the hands of every student for…

>No longer will private tutors be restricted to the rich only.

This is probably the number one thing that excites me about AI. Throughout all of history, when you look back at famous scientists, there's a clearly obvious pattern. Almost without exception they were children of enormous privilege who were given the opportunities to study and be tutored individually throughout their life. Unlocking that for every child on earth is going to accelerate human progress faster than anything else.

Re: Sal Khan: How AI could save (not destroy) education [video]

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Post by pjmorris »

TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #22
logicchains wrote: post #10

One of the biggest factors impacting education outcomes is students per teacher. Students tutored one-on-one learn better than students in small classes, and students in small classes learn better than students in large classes. Because if there are fewer students per teacher, the teacher can devote more time and attention to each student. AI promises to put a decent one-on-one tutor in the hands of every student for…

Decent? These current LLMs have more knowledge than every teacher on the planet combined. I’m very hopeful to see what finetuned models come out on top of the base gpt4 or lama

That's a little like saying Wikipedia has more knowledge than every teacher on the planet combined. It's being able to bring the relevant knowledge to bear on the student's understandings that matters, and that depends not only on the prompts the student provides the teacher/tutor/LLM, but on the teacher/tutor/LLM's understanding of the domain, the student's point on the learning curve, the student's level of frustration and receptivity, how people learn, and probably a dozen things that aren't coded into how LLMs respond.

Re: Sal Khan: How AI could save (not destroy) education [video]

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Post by gsatic »

dsign wrote: post #15
logicchains wrote: post #10

One of the biggest factors impacting education outcomes is students per teacher. Students tutored one-on-one learn better than students in small classes, and students in small classes learn better than students in large classes. Because if there are fewer students per teacher, the teacher can devote more time and attention to each student. AI promises to put a decent one-on-one tutor in the hands of every student for…

Jesus, no! Not all of my teachers were great, and most of the knowledge I got, I earned on my own. But they were part of a world that had nothing to do with the world of my parents--my teachers were learned , where my immediate family was not. My teachers were, if nothing else, an example to follow, a light, a guide. >> No longer will private tutors be restricted to the rich only. It's not as simple. I've met plenty…

Just ignore the AI hype herd. People who are pulling predictions out of their ass, have never had to deal day to day with the bugs these systems produce. You will never see a single person who works on production AI(not toy ai or research ai) making predictions cuz they are too busy staring at exploding bug lists.

Re: Sal Khan: How AI could save (not destroy) education [video]

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Post by asu_thomas »

ramesh31 wrote: post #26
logicchains wrote: post #10

One of the biggest factors impacting education outcomes is students per teacher. Students tutored one-on-one learn better than students in small classes, and students in small classes learn better than students in large classes. Because if there are fewer students per teacher, the teacher can devote more time and attention to each student. AI promises to put a decent one-on-one tutor in the hands of every student for…

>No longer will private tutors be restricted to the rich only. This is probably the number one thing that excites me about AI. Throughout all of history, when you look back at famous scientists, there's a clearly obvious pattern. Almost without exception they were children of enormous privilege who were given the opportunities to study and be tutored individually throughout their life. Unlocking that for every child…

You are either being dishonest or you're in for a major disappointment. There's a lot more involved in that "opportunity" than a mechanism for low cost feedback. One's material circumstances predominates their ability to take advantage of such mechanisms, hence why strictly increasing school budgets or teacher quality has never succeeded in significantly improving overall outcomes for children living in poverty. I suppose maybe you have to experience it to grasp the extent to which the havoc and insecurity that living in poverty in brutally individualized Western countries ensures, but it's been shown over and over again that these shortcuts simply don't work. You have to address the poverty itself.
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