why should stainless steel require pfas?
Where did someone suggest it did?
The article suggested it is a concern, and then resolved the concern.
90% of “eco-friendly” paper straws contain traces of toxic forever chemicals
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#22why should stainless steel require pfas?
Stainless steel is expensive, roughly a factor of 10 compared to plain steel. The reason is that Chromium is expensive. You can use low-chromium not-so-stainless steel if you then coat it with transparent paint containing among other things, PFAS, and save a ton of money on the material. Edit: the prototypical stainless steel is Cr/Ni 18/10 with 18% chromium and 10% nickel, aka V2A or 1.4301
Sounds about right. Most grills out here are $200-400, but will rust and fall apart within a couple years in my climate (humidity is insane here).
For $2000-4000, you can buy real stainless steel grills that are warrantied to last 15+ years, not 1 year.
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#23Why does every drink need a straw, anyway?
Consumers demand it, and we chose a society that mostly freely provides goods for consumer demands. So is your issue with the free market, or is it toothless consumer elitism
(I don't mean this reply to be a defense of the market either. I'm asking you to evaluate what is core to your criticism)
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#24why should stainless steel require pfas?
Stainless steel is expensive, roughly a factor of 10 compared to plain steel. The reason is that Chromium is expensive. You can use low-chromium not-so-stainless steel if you then coat it with transparent paint containing among other things, PFAS, and save a ton of money on the material. Edit: the prototypical stainless steel is Cr/Ni 18/10 with 18% chromium and 10% nickel, aka V2A or 1.4301
I don't think this really happens.
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#25From the paper(https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19440049.2023.2...):
> PFAS were detected in almost all paper-based straws, with highly variable concentrations between brands, ranging from Is this a lot? What do these levels mean? "Detectable" isn't really a useful threshold for many chemicals. Also, how much of these chemicals am I likely to ingest? Does it depend on the type of drink, it's temperature and chemistry?
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#26I'm sure someone probably feels strongly about this, but I will ask anyway:
Do we as a society even need straws?
I never use a straw at home.
The only time I would consider wanting one would be for a milkshake maybe, due to its thickness making it hard to sip otherwise.
I am not anti-straw, just think it is sort of a weird thing for our society to use when I stop to think about it.
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#27Why does every drink need a straw, anyway?
Sanitation, plenty of people handle the outsides of cups after they are washed before you drink from it.
If you have a compromised immune system, straws are important part of staying healthy.
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#28i think the bigger issue is probably that the paper straws are about an order of magnitude higher in mass, virtually 100% organic chemicals, and so represent about an order of magnitude higher resource consumption
the bigger issue than that is that disposable straws, even after that order-of-magnitude increase in impact, are an absolutely insignificant issue in ecological terms and yet have somehow become a political issue and spawned new laws and ridiculous greenwashing marketing
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#29why should stainless steel require pfas?
Stainless steel is expensive, roughly a factor of 10 compared to plain steel. The reason is that Chromium is expensive. You can use low-chromium not-so-stainless steel if you then coat it with transparent paint containing among other things, PFAS, and save a ton of money on the material. Edit: the prototypical stainless steel is Cr/Ni 18/10 with 18% chromium and 10% nickel, aka V2A or 1.4301
Straws require ridiculously small amounts of raw materials though, if you choose a material that increases the steel price by $1000/ton, then that adds a single extra cent to the costs of a 10g metal straw which then retails for a dollar a piece.
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#30All this stuff sold to us as eco alternatives are horrendous.
They are harmful imo as they detract from the ideal and usually attainable solution of reducing consumption.