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What's the case for naturally mined diamonds anymore?

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Re: What's the case for naturally mined diamonds anymore?

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> “People don’t buy Swiss watches to tell the time,” he said. “Apple probably sells more watches than the entire Swiss watch industry but does that matter if they’ve grown during that period?” Exactly. That diamonds are expensive is almost the entire point. If it becomes possible to buy artificial diamond rings for like $50, the tradition will disappear entirely. People will find some other signaling act.

If people move on to some other form of signaling that is less exploitative (of people and the environment), great!

Potentially a fair point vis a vis the environment, but it’s not really true of people as far as DeBeers is concerned. I know people that work for them in Botswana and I hear nothing but good things about them as an employer. On the environment, Kimberlites are pretty small and the environmental impact of primary diamond mining isn’t really that great in the grand scheme of things. Take this with a pinch of salt from a guy on the internet sharing some anecdata etc etc.

Re: What's the case for naturally mined diamonds anymore?

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The DeBeers marketing is still effective and most (US at least) women still want them for their romantic authenticity. I suspect this will be unpopular, but I know many of my married buddies would likely not be if they had insisted and held firm that a lab grown diamond is just as good. Doctors, lawyers, tech guys.

I would not marry anyone who given the option of buying thing A @ X units of currency/kg and a chemically identical version of thing A @ 3X units of currency/kg would pick the option which is 3 times more expensive for the sole reason of "status".

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Re: What's the case for naturally mined diamonds anymore?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If people move on to some other form of signaling that is less exploitative (of people and the environment), great!

Potentially a fair point vis a vis the environment, but it’s not really true of people as far as DeBeers is concerned. I know people that work for them in Botswana and I hear nothing but good things about them as an employer. On the environment, Kimberlites are pretty small and the environmental impact of primary diamond mining isn’t really that great in the grand scheme of things. Take this with a pinch of salt from…

De Beers is only ~25% of total annual carats of diamonds mined.

Re: What's the case for naturally mined diamonds anymore?

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> “People don’t buy Swiss watches to tell the time,” he said. “Apple probably sells more watches than the entire Swiss watch industry but does that matter if they’ve grown during that period?” Exactly. That diamonds are expensive is almost the entire point. If it becomes possible to buy artificial diamond rings for like $50, the tradition will disappear entirely. People will find some other signaling act.

There's bias even in that wording though. They're not "artificial" diamonds. They're real diamonds, grown in a lab instead of in the ground.

Agreed with your broader point though. IIRC there's an economics term for this—goods that don't follow the standard supply/demand price curve, but where increasing price actually increases demand over some range. Ah, "Veblen" goods, apparently.

Re: What's the case for naturally mined diamonds anymore?

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post #19
post #5

The DeBeers marketing is still effective and most (US at least) women still want them for their romantic authenticity. I suspect this will be unpopular, but I know many of my married buddies would likely not be if they had insisted and held firm that a lab grown diamond is just as good. Doctors, lawyers, tech guys.

I would not marry anyone who given the option of buying thing A @ X units of currency/kg and a chemically identical version of thing A @ 3X units of currency/kg would pick the option which is 3 times more expensive for the sole reason of "status".

Yeah, that’s an easy thing to say. Try saying that to the love of your life and see how that works out for you.

Re: What's the case for naturally mined diamonds anymore?

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post #19
post #5

The DeBeers marketing is still effective and most (US at least) women still want them for their romantic authenticity. I suspect this will be unpopular, but I know many of my married buddies would likely not be if they had insisted and held firm that a lab grown diamond is just as good. Doctors, lawyers, tech guys.

I would not marry anyone who given the option of buying thing A @ X units of currency/kg and a chemically identical version of thing A @ 3X units of currency/kg would pick the option which is 3 times more expensive for the sole reason of "status".

Some people have been trying to make inclusions the new fetch which is stupid since if are so much better. Diamond does have superiority something like moassinite but the cost differential is way more than 3x for minor differences in wearability.

Re: What's the case for naturally mined diamonds anymore?

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would not marry anyone who given the option of buying thing A @ X units of currency/kg and a chemically identical version of thing A @ 3X units of currency/kg would pick the option which is 3 times more expensive for the sole reason of "status".

Yeah, that’s an easy thing to say. Try saying that to the love of your life and see how that works out for you.

That's a red flag for the relationship right there.

If "not wasting money" is a core value for you, but "status" is more important for your partner, things will go sour sooner or later.

Of course it's very difficult to be rational in limerence.

Re: What's the case for naturally mined diamonds anymore?

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would not marry anyone who given the option of buying thing A @ X units of currency/kg and a chemically identical version of thing A @ 3X units of currency/kg would pick the option which is 3 times more expensive for the sole reason of "status".

Yeah, that’s an easy thing to say. Try saying that to the love of your life and see how that works out for you.

If that's ok then you really aren't much different and may be a good match.
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