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To tackle highest housing costs, hawaii's gov declares YIMBY martial law

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Re: To tackle highest housing costs, hawaii's gov declares YIMBY martial law

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Post by bahro »

> environmental groups have already denounced the proclamation's potential to allow for high-rises in residential neighborhoods

That's not an "environmental group." They may call themselves that, but there's no need for journalists to credulously repeat it. There is no "environmental" argument for preventing new residential buildings, even tall ones, from being built in existing urban residential neighborhoods. To protect the environment this is even necessary. I hope there are some real environmental orgs in Hawaii fighting back against greenfield development by supporting urban infill.

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Post by rcme »

reducesuffering wrote: post #13
xg15 wrote: post #8

Judging from the articles that get posted on here, in the US you only seem to have a choice between completely bonkers regulations that only serve entrenched interests or no regulation at all. How about regulation that is actually sensible?

Every NIMBY thinks they have just the right amount of "sensible" regulation. "But what about schools?" Enrollment is declining precipitously. "But what about traffic?" Okay, we're improving bike lanes, and putting accessible retail on the ground floor of housing for walkability. "No, not like that." On and on.

My experience is different. Local people care about things like schools and traffic in a way that those outside the immediate area don’t. A local example: the state of NJ built a small bridge over a creek a few year back that now allows drivers going through the Holland Tunnel into NYC to use Jersey City as a shortcut when traffic on the highway is bad. Now you basically can’t go outside during rush hour. It’s terrible. Does anyone from the state care? No. Why would they?

A representative democracy is a foundation of our society. That means you get a say in decisions that affect you. If you take hyper-local decisions and remove all local agency, then that is effectively removing representation.

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Post by techdragon »

tmnvix wrote: post #17
techdragon wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The effectiveness of public transport is significantly affected by the population density. Without sufficient people per unit area, you won’t have enough passengers to make the public transport work, depending on all the obvious factors like cost/quality of the public transport, proximity to housing without parking, the existence of housing without parking, etc. I would view the existence of housing that doesn’t come…

> ...it on average only gets built where public transportation is viable, and once built it ensures ongoing continued demand for that transportation which keeps public transport more viable around that location. A kind of corollary of this is that people living in places where where public transport doesn't exist build a lifestyle around private vehicles (obviously). This then leads to people becoming incredulous tha…

The marketing message around the suburban lifestyle has been sold as as the “American dream” or the “Australian dream” for more than a half century… its a profitable social manipulation that benefits politicians, land owners and all the businesses involved in house construction… it’s not that the end result is evil, it’s just pushed as an aspirational ideal that everyone should strive for when there are downsides for society at large when it comes to things like infrastructure maintenance and other costs shared by state/local governments…

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Post by panick21_ »

nottorp wrote: post #12
xg15 wrote: post #8

Judging from the articles that get posted on here, in the US you only seem to have a choice between completely bonkers regulations that only serve entrenched interests or no regulation at all. How about regulation that is actually sensible?

That's what I was thinking of. If you turn off all regulation you'll end with 20 story apartment buildings with zero parking space, zero greenery and accessible only by a tiny narrow road that's always clogged.

Zero parking is good. A tiny narrow road is good. And greenery while nice isn't important.

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Post by nottorp »

panick21_ wrote: post #24
nottorp wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what I was thinking of. If you turn off all regulation you'll end with 20 story apartment buildings with zero parking space, zero greenery and accessible only by a tiny narrow road that's always clogged.

Zero parking is good. A tiny narrow road is good. And greenery while nice isn't important.

Some shade when it's 35-40 C outside doesn't help at all indeed...

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Post by panick21_ »

nottorp wrote: post #25
panick21_ wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zero parking is good. A tiny narrow road is good. And greenery while nice isn't important.

Some shade when it's 35-40 C outside doesn't help at all indeed...

You know what also creates shade. Let me give you a hint. It starts with "b" and ends with "uilding". Think about it.

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Post by Georgelemental »

panick21_ wrote: post #26
nottorp wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some shade when it's 35-40 C outside doesn't help at all indeed...

You know what also creates shade. Let me give you a hint. It starts with "b" and ends with "uilding". Think about it.

Except that building is probably made out of concrete, or other heat island-creating materials.

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Post by nottorp »

panick21_ wrote: post #26
nottorp wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some shade when it's 35-40 C outside doesn't help at all indeed...

You know what also creates shade. Let me give you a hint. It starts with "b" and ends with "uilding". Think about it.

I live in an apartment building. It creates shade only on the side opposite to where the sun is.

On one side there's a small park with trees that has shade all day. On the other side there are no trees so it's only shaded late afternoon.

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Post by naggreg »

panick21_ wrote: post #26
nottorp wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some shade when it's 35-40 C outside doesn't help at all indeed...

You know what also creates shade. Let me give you a hint. It starts with "b" and ends with "uilding". Think about it.

You know what stays hot even after sunset, potentially for the whole night? Starts with b and ends with “uilding”

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Post by sidewndr46 »

umeshunni wrote: post #3

Is this similar to the 'Builders Remedy' law in CA cities? In California, if a city does not plan for the number of homes required by the state, the city has to approve any housing project as long as at least 20% of the homes are low-income or 100% of them are moderate-income.

This gets repeated all the time, but from what I can tell is just a power fantasy.

There are no California cities actually rubber stamping all housing, despite numerous cities being very far from compliance.

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