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In Sweden, cash is king no more

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Re: In Sweden, cash is king no more

#21

I wonder what that would do to the illegal drug industry.

Bitcoin? If there's a need for something, people will find ways to circumvent laws and tools against it. In a completely cash-less world say 100 years from now, the Bitcoin we have now will seem like version 0.01 of the anonymous digital money we'd have then.

Re: In Sweden, cash is king no more

#22

Do the Visas and Mastercards of Sweden still get their cut of every transaction? What a great way for these companies to solidify their corner of the market. Here is what I want: a way to do electronic transactions anonymously and cheaper that the current options. How do you do this while combating fraud?

That's kind of the whole point of Bitcoin. Free to use, not tied to any government or organization, and it can be completely anonymous.

With that comes the downsides that you have to be technical and know what you're doing to use it, as does the person you're buying from, and bitcoins are basically as easy to steal as cash.

Re: In Sweden, cash is king no more

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MM so your the annoying person who isn't organized enough to bring cash and causes long queues at the bar or coffee shop when I am buying my morning coffee and paper at the train station. The more you use your card the more chance of getting skimmed using cash for small purchases is a way of reducing your attack surface.

The more you use your card the more chance of getting skimmed using cash for small purchases is a way of reducing your attack surface. I don't get why people care about this. Credit card fraud is the bank's problem, not mine.

not these days chip and pin pushes it more towards the end consumer and who do you think pays the bill for fraud the banks customers do

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#24

I wonder what that would do to the illegal drug industry.

Barter, or elaborate e-laundering of transactions. Where there's a market there will be a way.

There was a story recently about the growing problem of theft of Tide laundry detergent, people paying drug dealers with stolen Tide detergent.

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MM so your the annoying person who isn't organized enough to bring cash and causes long queues at the bar or coffee shop when I am buying my morning coffee and paper at the train station. The more you use your card the more chance of getting skimmed using cash for small purchases is a way of reducing your attack surface.

You are welcome! :) No really, the card readers are damn quick these days so it hardly takes much longer than paying with cash but I admit that it takes slightly longer. I would argue that most people pay their morning coffee with card in Sweden. I have used my card all over the world, for small and large purchases, and have yet to get it skimmed - lucky I guess. But another aspect of increased card use is that tax f…

At my medium sized local station around 2k people catch trains within 45 mins every morning so cash is much much faster and allows a greater through put of transactions.

Re: In Sweden, cash is king no more

#26

Do the Visas and Mastercards of Sweden still get their cut of every transaction? What a great way for these companies to solidify their corner of the market. Here is what I want: a way to do electronic transactions anonymously and cheaper that the current options. How do you do this while combating fraud?

The patent has come and gone on blinded signatures. Their fundamental drawback is that they don't work without the support of the banking industry, and why would the banking industry (a cartel) want to reduce their profits?

Re: In Sweden, cash is king no more

#27
post #22

Do the Visas and Mastercards of Sweden still get their cut of every transaction? What a great way for these companies to solidify their corner of the market. Here is what I want: a way to do electronic transactions anonymously and cheaper that the current options. How do you do this while combating fraud?

That's kind of the whole point of Bitcoin. Free to use, not tied to any government or organization, and it can be completely anonymous. With that comes the downsides that you have to be technical and know what you're doing to use it, as does the person you're buying from, and bitcoins are basically as easy to steal as cash.

What is the 'anonymity' property of bitcoin I keep hearing about? Has there been a fundamental overhaul of the protocol since Satoshi's initial paper?

Re: In Sweden, cash is king no more

#28
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MM so your the annoying person who isn't organized enough to bring cash and causes long queues at the bar or coffee shop when I am buying my morning coffee and paper at the train station. The more you use your card the more chance of getting skimmed using cash for small purchases is a way of reducing your attack surface.

The more you use your card the more chance of getting skimmed using cash for small purchases is a way of reducing your attack surface. I don't get why people care about this. Credit card fraud is the bank's problem, not mine.

To me it's common decency to not be negligent and I deeply dislike the opinion that "the bank will cover it".

For starters it's irresponsible, secondly the cost goes back to the banks customers anyway. But also, one day the bank will say no. You didn't do what we expect of you, we will not give you anything.

This is not that uncommon and if it happens you might loose a lot (although to keep good faith and keep people using the cards the banks usually go to great lengths to cover up that fraud ever happens and they usually repay losses of their customers, but I seriously do not get why anyone would be willing to take that risk - even the hassle of having to get in touch with your bank and temporarily be out on a lot of money etc. is enough to avoid that risk).

Not to mention that I don't feel like "it's okay, the bank took care of it" is okay. The bad guys got away with it and that is never okay.

Re: In Sweden, cash is king no more

#29
I expirienced the exact opposite in Maebashi Japan circa 2003. We had to go to Tokyo to find a place to get some cash out of our foreign issued credit cards, and even the local ones were not universally accepted. For such a high-tech nation as Japan I was completely shoked.

Re: In Sweden, cash is king no more

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post #24

I wonder what that would do to the illegal drug industry.

Barter, or elaborate e-laundering of transactions. Where there's a market there will be a way. There was a story recently about the growing problem of theft of Tide laundry detergent, people paying drug dealers with stolen Tide detergent.

Did the drug dealer happen to be a laundry detergent distributor?
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