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Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Post by CamperBob2 »

joshuahedlund wrote: post #2

> The latest Cruise incident occurred Thursday night when a Cruise robotaxi and an emergency vehicle crashed and left a passenger injured. Cruise said in a social media post that one of its self-driving Chevy Bolt EVs entered an intersection on a green traffic light at Polk and Turk streets when it was struck by an emergency vehicle that appeared to be en route to an emergency scene. Noticing and responding to emerge…

Emergency vehicles in many areas have a strobe light that sends out a particular pattern of flashes, allowing them to turn traffic lights red as they approach. Seems like a fairly obvious step would be to mandate that self-driving cars recognize those strobes.

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Post by whimsicalism »

jhugo wrote: post #17

> “Over one hundred people lose their lives every day on American roadways, and countless others are badly injured, Cruise said in a statement sent via email. I’m so tired of this angle being accepted at face value. Current driverless cars are not even capable of safely navigating situations that below-average human drivers rarely struggle with, like avoiding driving into clearly marked wet concrete, or not crashing…

Just because they have weird failure cases does not mean they fail more often than human drivers.

FWIW as a biker in SF i feel much more comfortable around driverless than actual drivers, especially in areas like the Mission where people don’t check their right before turning onto streets like Guerrero or Valencia. The self driving ones always do

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Post by whimsicalism »

botanical wrote: post #15

I've said it before when a self-driving Uber killed a woman, and I'll say it again: I don't understand why authorities allow self-driving cars to beta test out in public. I thought Waymo was the best with something like millions of hours on the road but when they started accepting passengers, it failed to proceed past a traffic cone: https://youtu.be/zdKCQKBvH-A?t=742 I wouldn't trust any of the others like Tesla and…

I feel like there logically must be a phase where testing in public will have to occur on the path to self driving.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Post by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS »

YeBanKo wrote: post #19

> The latest Cruise incident occurred Thursday night when a Cruise robotaxi and an emergency vehicle crashed and left a passenger injured. Cruise said in a social media post that one of its self-driving Chevy Bolt EVs entered an intersection on a green traffic light at Polk and Turk streets when it was struck by an emergency vehicle that appeared to be en route to an emergency scene. It sounds serious. But more impor…

It would be interesting to see, but emergency vehicles responding to a call (and with lights and sirens going) clearly have right of way. That said, every emergency driver I know and have seen slows to a near stop at intersections to make sure it's clear before proceeding.

But perhaps that's not procedure in California, which would be madness.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Post by freitzkriesler2 »

botanical wrote: post #15

I've said it before when a self-driving Uber killed a woman, and I'll say it again: I don't understand why authorities allow self-driving cars to beta test out in public. I thought Waymo was the best with something like millions of hours on the road but when they started accepting passengers, it failed to proceed past a traffic cone: https://youtu.be/zdKCQKBvH-A?t=742 I wouldn't trust any of the others like Tesla and…

I agree 100%. The fact that they let this happen is an affront to the mandate of those safety organizations.

Who is paying whom to clear these hurdles?

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Post by justrealist »

paul7986 wrote: post #16
rootusrootus wrote: post #13

Everywhere I've lived, it's the responsibility of the emergency vehicle to avoid a wreck when they are crossing an intersection against the signal, whether they're lit up and blasting the siren or not. If the Cruise vehicle really did have a green and the emergency vehicle struck them, then this doesn't actually seem like their fault.

Ummm when you are driving and hear a EMT vehicle you as a driver have to immediately pull to the side and out of the way. Sounds like your giving the robot guinea pig AI car a pass when clearly it did not and will not act like a human does.

Unless it was already in the intersection and blocked... or the fire truck turned a corner quickly. Or a hundred other things.

There's a reason the emergency drivers don't plow straight through intersections. Let's just see the footage when it comes out rather than making stuff up.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Post by swid »

joshuahedlund wrote: post #2

> The latest Cruise incident occurred Thursday night when a Cruise robotaxi and an emergency vehicle crashed and left a passenger injured. Cruise said in a social media post that one of its self-driving Chevy Bolt EVs entered an intersection on a green traffic light at Polk and Turk streets when it was struck by an emergency vehicle that appeared to be en route to an emergency scene. Noticing and responding to emerge…

Cruise released a statement which said the car did hear the siren when it was louder than background noise. No indication how close the siren was for that to happen, but it sounds pretty definitive that audio sensors are already part of the kit.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Post by dehrmann »

botanical wrote: post #15

I've said it before when a self-driving Uber killed a woman, and I'll say it again: I don't understand why authorities allow self-driving cars to beta test out in public. I thought Waymo was the best with something like millions of hours on the road but when they started accepting passengers, it failed to proceed past a traffic cone: https://youtu.be/zdKCQKBvH-A?t=742 I wouldn't trust any of the others like Tesla and…

You're criticizing them for both being dangerous and overly cautious? If anything, the Waymo clip confirms that Waymo's offering is safe.
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