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Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by TOMDM »

mminer237 wrote: post #15
mdorazio wrote: post #7

A quick search on Google News shows at least 3 human drivers did the same thing in the last 3 months, so this doesn't bother me all that much.

I'm not saying this is damning evidence, but how many human drivers are on the road versus AI? A quick Google search says there are 300 Cruise vehicles operating at night currently. I am confident I could survey 10 times that many taxi drivers and not find a single one who has accidentally driven into wet concrete.

That's the difficulty with n=1

Was this a freak accident, or indicative of expected performance.

I guess we'll only find out if more Cruise cars turn themselves into modern art.

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by andrewmutz »

mminer237 wrote: post #17
andrewmutz wrote: post #5

Still safer than human drivers, who do this all the time

Uh, I know hundreds of drivers, and I've never met someone who's done this. Who are you hanging around?

https://www.google.com/search?q=humams+driving+in+to+wet+con...

It happens all the time

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by forgetfreeman »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #18

What I'd like to know is if the concrete was marked out with cones. If it was then clearly the car's fault, if not then the worker's fault. Cones become more critical with the proliferation of non-human drivers.

Ah yes, it is clearly incumbent upon all other industries to modify their practices to pave over the gross deficiencies of self-driving cars.

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Post by jandrese »

stevage wrote: post #20

How badly protected does a piece of fresh concrete have to be for this to be possible? Never heard of this happening before.

People try to drive on wet concrete all the time. It's super bad for the car, especially if you let it dry.

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Post by kube-system »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #18

What I'd like to know is if the concrete was marked out with cones. If it was then clearly the car's fault, if not then the worker's fault. Cones become more critical with the proliferation of non-human drivers.

We expect human drivers to attempt to avoid accidents which are not their fault (see: legal duty to lookout/avoid), why shouldn't we do the same for non-human drivers? To not do this seems like a step backwards in safety expectations.

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Post by amscanne »

kube-system wrote: post #19
mdorazio wrote: post #7

A quick search on Google News shows at least 3 human drivers did the same thing in the last 3 months, so this doesn't bother me all that much.

And over the course of a year their fleet has collectively driven somewhere around a million miles. Human drivers on US roads complete over 3 trillion miles per year. So, one Cruise vehicle driving into concrete is about equivalent to 3 million human drivers driving into concrete on an equal rate basis.

Discrete events and very small numbers make it hard to draw good conclusions, and you shouldn’t extrapolate like that. With the exact same logic, you could have argued yesterday that Cruise vehicles are less likely to drive into concrete than humans with an extrapolated rate of zero! This claim is just as suspect as the other — n=1 just isn’t giving you enough data.

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by forgetfreeman »

andrewmutz wrote: post #22
mminer237 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, I know hundreds of drivers, and I've never met someone who's done this. Who are you hanging around?

https://www.google.com/search?q=humams+driving+in+to+wet+con... It happens all the time

If you want to play that game now we get to compare the number of human operator hours per wet pavement incident vs self-driving cars. A quick google search suggests the estimated number of human drivers on the road today is 1.4 billion. The rest of that calculation is left as an exercise.

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Post by jcoder »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #18

What I'd like to know is if the concrete was marked out with cones. If it was then clearly the car's fault, if not then the worker's fault. Cones become more critical with the proliferation of non-human drivers.

> Cones become more critical with the proliferation of non-human drivers

Ironic. Cones are the self-driving car’s only weakness, and yet they can’t survive without them

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by kube-system »

amscanne wrote: post #27
kube-system wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And over the course of a year their fleet has collectively driven somewhere around a million miles. Human drivers on US roads complete over 3 trillion miles per year. So, one Cruise vehicle driving into concrete is about equivalent to 3 million human drivers driving into concrete on an equal rate basis.

Discrete events and very small numbers make it hard to draw good conclusions, and you shouldn’t extrapolate like that. With the exact same logic, you could have argued yesterday that Cruise vehicles are less likely to drive into concrete than humans with an extrapolated rate of zero! This claim is just as suspect as the other — n=1 just isn’t giving you enough data.

I was simply entertaining the 'statistic' posed by the parent at face value. But you're right, we don't know whether or not this is an outlier event.
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