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Inside The Decline of Stack Exchange

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Re: Inside The Decline of Stack Exchange

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post #4

An interesting thing to me about SO is how their focus on being Dev Centric ultimately led to some problematic internal culture issues. This came up in a podcast episode I did and then turned up on twitter. At one point in 2013/2014, an exec asked me if any of the developers had ever treated me badly because I was a woman. My honest reply at the time was “not because I’m a woman, but they definitely have treated me b…

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I don't know if it is normal or not, but it certainly shouldn't be.

Re: Inside The Decline of Stack Exchange

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post #16

From my experience, interacting with stack overflow and other software related sister communities has always left a bitter taste in my mouth. Ignoring the elephant in the room that I do use SO everyday with some success, but it’s mostly replaced by ChatGPT. The ridiculous (IMHO) moderation under the guise of “we have only one purpose” often didn’t even align with that goal. The writing was on the wall. So many questi…

Seconded.

Re: Inside The Decline of Stack Exchange

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I would really like to see what Joel Spolsky and Jeff Atwood, the original creators of Stack Overflow, have to say about the current state of affairs. Their business model was recruiting by identifying people with specific skills, and it was effective. I hired and was hired that way.

(They sold it years ago to a South African private equity venture and made the pile of money they deserved.)

Re: Inside The Decline of Stack Exchange

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post #16

From my experience, interacting with stack overflow and other software related sister communities has always left a bitter taste in my mouth. Ignoring the elephant in the room that I do use SO everyday with some success, but it’s mostly replaced by ChatGPT. The ridiculous (IMHO) moderation under the guise of “we have only one purpose” often didn’t even align with that goal. The writing was on the wall. So many questi…

ChatGPT at least seems like it is trying to help me.

The meta games going on in SO are a whole lot more of a mess and ChatGPT is more than happy to hear my question a 3rd time and spit out the same answer as before but change a few things. SO, not so much.

Re: Inside The Decline of Stack Exchange

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Yeah and I think an issue is how engineers think vs other people. What maybe seen as rude or negative is just an engineer optimizing for efficiency or technical correctness. Other people then tend to take things personally and attach emotion to situations where they are having to be corrected. I have this play out repeatedly in my personal life. I've found I have to simply let people do the wrong things or fail a lit…

"Optimising for efficiency" on a personal/personnel/social level is one of the most common forms of rudeness in every day life. It generally _is_ rudeness.

Re: Inside The Decline of Stack Exchange

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The opening Google trends graph doesn't match the preceding claim about a material decline in usage at all... it says a lot more about the extraordinary rise of chatgpt (especially since most people aren't using chatgpt for programming questions). It feels like a "Facebook is dead" type of argument: popular but wrong.

Re: Inside The Decline of Stack Exchange

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post #16

From my experience, interacting with stack overflow and other software related sister communities has always left a bitter taste in my mouth. Ignoring the elephant in the room that I do use SO everyday with some success, but it’s mostly replaced by ChatGPT. The ridiculous (IMHO) moderation under the guise of “we have only one purpose” often didn’t even align with that goal. The writing was on the wall. So many questi…

> we have only one purpose

The problem to me always seemed like the goals of the company didn’t line up with the goals of many (most?) of its users.

Re: Inside The Decline of Stack Exchange

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post #24
post #16

From my experience, interacting with stack overflow and other software related sister communities has always left a bitter taste in my mouth. Ignoring the elephant in the room that I do use SO everyday with some success, but it’s mostly replaced by ChatGPT. The ridiculous (IMHO) moderation under the guise of “we have only one purpose” often didn’t even align with that goal. The writing was on the wall. So many questi…

ChatGPT at least seems like it is trying to help me. The meta games going on in SO are a whole lot more of a mess and ChatGPT is more than happy to hear my question a 3rd time and spit out the same answer as before but change a few things. SO, not so much.

I use chatgpt as a rubber duck who I’m suspicious of. Way too often it just comes up with fictional features

Re: Inside The Decline of Stack Exchange

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I really don't buy it. There is considerably more interest in google trends for ChatGPT compared to StackOverflow. But I dont see one replacing the other. At least for me.

I do not believe the google trend graphs,like "the scariest graph", in this post accurately reflect a decline of SO.

There is a place for AI tools and StackOverflow is not the friendliest of places but the quality disparity between the answers you get when comparing the two is very clear to me.

> This year, overall, we’re seeing an average of ~5% less traffic compared to 2022. Stack Overflow remains a trusted resource for millions of developers and technologists. [...] Conversely, in April of this year, we saw an above average traffic decrease (~14%), which we can likely attribute to developers trying GPT-4 after it was released in March.

https://stackoverflow.blog/2023/08/08/insights-into-stack-ov...

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