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GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Post by belval »

outside1234 wrote: post #9
makestuff wrote: post #3

This sounds like someone is trying to empire build at GM to create their own version of carplay so they can be promoted.

It is even worse than that - the CEO has this pipe dream that they are going to build a Netflix sized subscription business: https://techcrunch.com/2021/10/06/gm-aims-to-build-netflix-s...

> “Our research indicates that with the right mix of compelling offerings, customers are willing to spend $135 per month on average for products and services,” said Wexler.

Assuming this is not a maintenance contract, who in their right mind will spend 135$ per month on "products and services" for their car?

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Post by ra7 »

> Instead of CarPlay or Android Auto, drivers will instead rely on the Escalade IQ’s included Google built-in infotainment software.

It's called Android Automotive OS (not to be confused with Android Auto). Many OEMs are now using Android Automotive for infotainment, but also support CarPlay/AA. This is a terrible move, but GM is just trying to copy Tesla by controlling the entire UX and putting it some of it behind a subscription (like Tesla's Premium Connectivity).

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Post by lotsofpulp »

greenthrow wrote: post #16
petarb wrote: post #2

It’s interesting to see how a lot of new gas cars have Apple CarPlay / Android Auto but all of the new EV cars are going towards custom OS which essentially leads to worse user experiences for manufacturers who aren’t well versed in software.

This isn't really true except for Rivian and Tesla, which as start ups, wrote their own stack and want to fully control it. GM is moving to Google Automotive and doesn't want to enable Carplay or Android Auto, but Google is already in there deep. No other legacy manufacturers have announced plans to take away Carplay/Android Auto. Quite a few are basing their systems on Android Automotive, though (BMW, Volvo/Polestar…

If a car with Google Automotive has CarPlay, how would Google get data from the iPhone? Is CarPlay not just an interface so your phone can display things on a bigger touchscreen?

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Post by elsonrodriguez »

petarb wrote: post #2

It’s interesting to see how a lot of new gas cars have Apple CarPlay / Android Auto but all of the new EV cars are going towards custom OS which essentially leads to worse user experiences for manufacturers who aren’t well versed in software.

They want a shorter revenue cycle via recurring services.

What they're missing is that I don't stream my music from GMTunes, I don't store my photos on GMPhotos, I don't have my files on GMCloud, and I don't have easy access to all of this from my GMPhone, GMPad, GMBook, and GMWatch.

They either fundamentally don't understand why people want Carplay or Android Auto, or have delusions that they can become a bigger ecosystem than Apple, Google, or Microsoft.

If they are unsatisfied with the recurring revenue they currently get via selling car, parts, and electric charging partnerships, maybe they should start pivoting towards public transit.

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Post by refulgentis »

outside1234 wrote: post #9
makestuff wrote: post #3

This sounds like someone is trying to empire build at GM to create their own version of carplay so they can be promoted.

It is even worse than that - the CEO has this pipe dream that they are going to build a Netflix sized subscription business: https://techcrunch.com/2021/10/06/gm-aims-to-build-netflix-s...

OnStar's been around so long, and people value it enough, that it's unreasonable to sneer about pipedreams.

Once you throw in Tesla-like subs for automation, etc., it's reasonable to make that a goal for 2030.

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Post by gottorf »

oo0shiny wrote: post #19
branon wrote: post #5

Good! Hopefully it will have no touchscreen either, only tactile buttons.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news... https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24841937/I...

A more awful UX for a multi-ton driving machine, I cannot imagine.

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Post by shuckles »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #15
SkyPuncher wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's honestly insane. CarPlay does everything I want and the best part is it just works. A large part of that "it just works" is the fact that it's all based directly on my phone. * That restaurant we just decided to go to. Already in navigation. AND! the maps are all current with road closures/traffic issues. * The music that I was playing, it just keeps going * The garage door opener/lock/etc that I just added to H…

The best part is I do not have to worry about a third party vendor getting access to my smartphone’s data. For better or worse, the smartphone is a vault of almost everything about a person, including the ability to impersonate them. Obviously, Apple and Google already have access to all of this, but I see no reason to let yet another entity have it.

CarPlay is essentially a form of AirPlay, so the car is receiving a video stream from your phone, not data. (Of course, they could try to extract data from the video stream, but I doubt they have the technical skills to do that in the near future.)

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Post by bloodyplonker22 »

branon wrote: post #5

Good! Hopefully it will have no touchscreen either, only tactile buttons.

Instead of just reading the headline and writing a one sentence response, you could have taken one second to click the article and you would have seen the massive touch screen it has.
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