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Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by nicce »

tokai wrote: post #15
oblio wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the project leads can agree to a shared vision - which frankly should be similar considering the scope of the projects - it's most likely better if they merge. Open Source projects never have enough resources and splitting them into 2 clone projects is generally not great. I know about competition but it's not like Vim/Neovim, programming text editor, is lacking in competition even without the other side of the fo…

>better if they merge You and meitham are very focused on this, but it is very much an opinion and not a fact.

It depends on the differences of their goals and principles.

It is fact that 1 + 1 > 1 if you compare available resources.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by thrownaway561 »

deepest sympathies for Bram and the VIM community.

reading the post it seems that the project will continue after some growing pains from the lead. one thing to take from this is projects as popular as VIM need to hand the keys to the kingdom over to the community before anything drastic happens.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by ALoverOfLats »

fortunateregard wrote: post #17

What is it that prevents the rest of the vim community from adopting neovim? From what I can observe, a great deal already have. But for the folks holding out, what is it that outweighs all that neovim has to offer?

Can’t speak for everyone but in my day to day most systems I work with already come with vim preinstalled or more convenient to install than neovim. I’d rather just pull my vimrc (If I even have to) and get down to editing quickly.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by djtango »

suprjami wrote: post #18
meitham wrote: post #3

I do hope this gets taken as a chance to merge Vim and Neovim, otherwise a divided community is not great for the editor

I don't. Neovim have dropped "old useless" features which are the entire reason I use Vim.

I've not tried neovim mostly because I'm hopelessly loyal. curious what features were cut?

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by goku12 »

oblio wrote: post #12

I hope both Vim and Neovim extend olive branches (and Git branches where it makes sense! :-D ). Even if the fork doesn't heal, if they could align the code bases to bring them closer, both sides win.

Neovim team has always been positive towards Vim. This post doesn't paint the Vim team as being hostile either. However, I really wonder how practical a merge is, considering that neovim isn't a fork or Vim, rather an implementation from scratch.

Edit: Looks like I'm wrong about neovim not being a fork of vim.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by ftaghn »

GneissFrog wrote: post #16
meitham wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no future to Vim without Bram. A merge of the two fork’s isn’t what Bram has wanted, but it’s the best way to keep Vim alive

No future for Vim without Bram? People said the same thing about Apple when Steve Jobs passed away. Turns out, as long as you have loyal users and competent people working, things can keep on chugging right along. It seems a bit ridiculous to dismiss reunification when you don't even know what kind of compromises might be made to make it happen.

I would not be so prompt to compare the situation with Apple and Jobs. Apple is a company that provides something no one else does while also holding a lock on its users. You can't go and install iOS apps on android.

On the other hand, vim and neovim are almost the same thing, and wherever they diverge, it is always to the detriment of vim. I would not be very optimistic for the future of vim considering that nobody uses vim9script and that alone is quite the massive baggage to maintain, an entirely separate, new programming language? one that is used by.. no one? 99% of extension developers either use the old vimscript or lua, and neovim's lua base has significantly grown to the point where we can imagine a future that has no vimscript.

Where will they find people willing to continue working on vim's code base when it has this kind of really big, really useless baggage? and if they were to cut it out of the code base, would it still be vim? I respect Bram for his contribution to open source, and vim is one of my favorite, most used software, but his decisions in the past few years have been extremely poor and were not friendly toward the possibility of vim being community maintained.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by bombcar »

OskarS wrote: post #13

My brother passed away very suddenly a few years ago, and I was put in charge of wrapping up and archiving his "digital" life. We were very lucky that we had access to a recovery email for his main gmail account (as well as a couple of passwords that his partner knew) and was able to access and archive virtually all data we could think of (services like Google Takeout were invaluable). I realized that if this had hap…

This is one of the reasons that I’ve begun to pare down the number of online financial accounts I have, even though churning for bonuses is fun.

Every single one will have to be dealt with eventually by someone, so if I can reduce the number of banks I deal with it’s worth it, even at some small cost of not being “perfectly optimal”.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by xmdx »

OskarS wrote: post #13

My brother passed away very suddenly a few years ago, and I was put in charge of wrapping up and archiving his "digital" life. We were very lucky that we had access to a recovery email for his main gmail account (as well as a couple of passwords that his partner knew) and was able to access and archive virtually all data we could think of (services like Google Takeout were invaluable). I realized that if this had hap…

Had the same experience with my dad passing recently, we had access to everything because we know the passwords he uses and he was ok with sharing those with us.

Will definitely look into the 1password emergency kit, thanks for mentioning it. 2fa is the other big challenge after that.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by sdfghswe »

fortunateregard wrote: post #17

What is it that prevents the rest of the vim community from adopting neovim? From what I can observe, a great deal already have. But for the folks holding out, what is it that outweighs all that neovim has to offer?

From my admittedly somewhat limited experience, neovim felt a bit more sluggish to launch. Not a good sign.
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