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A superconductor claim blew up online. Science has punctured it

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Re: A superconductor claim blew up online. Science has punctured it

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I'm not sure the headline understands that scientists can be wrong their entire careers but still be excellent scientists, doing excellent and even influential science.

"A black body claim for short wavelengths blew up academia. Science punctured it so resolutely that the claim is now called an ultraviolet catastrophe!".

Re: A superconductor claim blew up online. Science has punctured it

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Who is Science?

Anthony Fauci: https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/11/anthony-fauci-i-am-th... He's prolly got Electrolytes, too.

I mean he is in the top ~100 most cited researchers of all time, across all fields, and he's still alive. Guy isn't a great public speaker but his name is on quite a few foundational papers in his field.

https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=0dDO3SAAAAAJ

Re: A superconductor claim blew up online. Science has punctured it

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Proof that science works Just Fine using simple tools like arxiv and social media. Journals are dead. Their invention was scientifically bankrupt, their existence has bred the very human biases and social conflicts that science was supposed to eliminate, and their raison d'être is rendered moot by technology. Good riddance. Long live the scientific method.

Hardly, it only worked in this case because of how high profile it was. You cannot use the "submit to arxiv, wait for 100 labs to verify" model for anything less exciting than room temperature superconductors.

And honestly, if they’d waited until their work was up to the quality bar for a journal submission, a lot of resources would not have been wasted attempting to replicate it.

Re: A superconductor claim blew up online. Science has punctured it

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No, “science” has done no such thing. A bunch of theoretical-science types have been putting out PR as fast as possible, and trying to claim that it’s over. The whole thing looks very corrupt.

I'm amazed how invested some people are in this. I'm sorry, but skepticism isn't "corrupt". 99 times out of 100, it's right. No one is being suppressed here. Anyone with even a hint of a positive result goes viral on twitter instantly. But the results just aren't there. And yeah, the crufty theoreticians are haw-haw-hawing a little (cold fusion -style, I guess) at the people who jumped on the possibility without real…

I’ve seen enough blatant gaslighting about this on Twitter (and here) to just ignore you.

Re: A superconductor claim blew up online. Science has punctured it

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Proof that science works Just Fine using simple tools like arxiv and social media. Journals are dead. Their invention was scientifically bankrupt, their existence has bred the very human biases and social conflicts that science was supposed to eliminate, and their raison d'être is rendered moot by technology. Good riddance. Long live the scientific method.

Would this paper be published in a reputable journal? I think they would ask for better graphs at the very least, maybe more detail of the process of creating the material. It doesn't seem like the arxiv prerint did any good here. I don't think science = being in a journal but this event doesn't show evidence for the death of journals.

>Their invention was scientifically bankrupt

Did you just replace "morals" with "science" here? What do you mean by this?

Or do you mean that their "invention" was without reason? Even if journals are not needed today, "arxiv and social media" did not yet exist.

Re: A superconductor claim blew up online. Science has punctured it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hardly, it only worked in this case because of how high profile it was. You cannot use the "submit to arxiv, wait for 100 labs to verify" model for anything less exciting than room temperature superconductors.

And honestly, if they’d waited until their work was up to the quality bar for a journal submission, a lot of resources would not have been wasted attempting to replicate it.

And people absolutely proved that their ability to read scientific claims in isolation and make an educated guess how much weight to give them is really bad.

Re: A superconductor claim blew up online. Science has punctured it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm amazed how invested some people are in this. I'm sorry, but skepticism isn't "corrupt". 99 times out of 100, it's right. No one is being suppressed here. Anyone with even a hint of a positive result goes viral on twitter instantly. But the results just aren't there. And yeah, the crufty theoreticians are haw-haw-hawing a little (cold fusion -style, I guess) at the people who jumped on the possibility without real…

I’ve seen enough blatant gaslighting about this on Twitter (and here) to just ignore you.

Disagreement is not "blatant gaslighting", and ignoring people who disagree with you only harms your understanding of the world.

It's just so upsetting to me the extent to which the HN community has charged down this meme-driven, anti-rationalist path. Everything that doesn't feel right is suddenly the word of an enemy to commenters here. And we used to be so sure of our fact-based world views!

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