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Infrastructure audit completed by Radically Open Security

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Re: Infrastructure audit completed by Radically Open Security

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Post by apples_oranges »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #16
rvnx wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Hostile to Western interests. Sanctions are nothing but legitimatized bullying of the strong over the weak. Thanks, but not. Multi-polarity is coming.

Isn’t trading with certain states like sanctioning of how they treat their population? Withholding trade seems fair. We don’t want to deal with you because you start murderous wars for example seems fair. As for “multi polarity”.. seems so far like the catchphrase of shitty governments and unhappy people here that dream of some radical change.. It’s a false word somehow

Re: Infrastructure audit completed by Radically Open Security

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Post by zirgs »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #16
rvnx wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Hostile to Western interests. Sanctions are nothing but legitimatized bullying of the strong over the weak. Thanks, but not. Multi-polarity is coming.

Where's the second democratic pole? If the only alternative to living in an US aligned country is moving to an authoritarian hellhole - then... no thanks...

Re: Infrastructure audit completed by Radically Open Security

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Post by apples_oranges »

lnxg33k1 wrote: post #13
rvnx wrote: post #10

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What are you doing about western governments pursuing journalists who reported war crimes in iraq? This moral superiority about expecting people from other places to do what we don’t would be hilarious if it was completely outrageous We’re expecting normal people to stand up against armed regimes while around the world our governments commit the worst human crimes while we’re zapping on netflix I have absolutely no w…

If you tallied it all up in an excel sheet you would probably be shocked about the abuse going on “here and there”

Re: Infrastructure audit completed by Radically Open Security

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Post by unixhero »

dijit wrote: post #2

My biggest professional regret is not joining Mullvad when their founder emailed me. A seriously large chunk of their values aligns with my own, and it's woefully few technical enthusiasts that continue to place liberty over convenience -- meaning most of us tend to use hyperscaler cloud providers under the purview of the US Government. -- and before anyone mentions it; yes that has been an issue for me in my profess…

It is probably not too late

Re: Infrastructure audit completed by Radically Open Security

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Post by zirgs »

apples_oranges wrote: post #21
jasonvorhe wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hostile to Western interests. Sanctions are nothing but legitimatized bullying of the strong over the weak. Thanks, but not. Multi-polarity is coming.

Isn’t trading with certain states like sanctioning of how they treat their population? Withholding trade seems fair. We don’t want to deal with you because you start murderous wars for example seems fair. As for “multi polarity”.. seems so far like the catchphrase of shitty governments and unhappy people here that dream of some radical change.. It’s a false word somehow

Yup - there's no "multi". You either live in a country that's aligned with the USA. Or you live in some sort of authoritarian hellhole.

There's no democratic and prosperous country that isn't aligned with the USA somehow.

Russia had the chance to become a country like that in the 90s, but they chose to have another tsar instead.

Re: Infrastructure audit completed by Radically Open Security

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Post by AndyMcConachie »

brapachin wrote: post #8

It appears in this audit. They only reviewed test production servers. Playing devils advocate, what would be stopping Mullvad from providing the Open Security team with a version of Mullvad stripped of logging features? I hate to be this skeptical, but shouldn’t an actual audit review customer facing servers (within bounds to prevent the auditors from logging info). Maybe I’m wrong someone pls lmk. But I’m not convin…

You're asking Mullvad to give outsiders access to their customer's connections. That's something they've promised to never do.

Re: Infrastructure audit completed by Radically Open Security

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Post by rvnx »

apples_oranges wrote: post #21
jasonvorhe wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hostile to Western interests. Sanctions are nothing but legitimatized bullying of the strong over the weak. Thanks, but not. Multi-polarity is coming.

Isn’t trading with certain states like sanctioning of how they treat their population? Withholding trade seems fair. We don’t want to deal with you because you start murderous wars for example seems fair. As for “multi polarity”.. seems so far like the catchphrase of shitty governments and unhappy people here that dream of some radical change.. It’s a false word somehow

The only time I've heard the expression about multipolar was from Chinese and Russian Foreign Minister playbook.

Add "NATO", "Russophobia", "Nazis", "Western" and other keywords in the soup and you have the perfect anti-Western speech.

It's not even a Western tool.

Sanctions are a tool to refuse to trade with opponent regimes, and it works both ways (China has sanctions on the West too, for example on semiconductors. Russia has sanctions too against the West).

It's not perfect, and it has side-effects, but overall it deters other countries / terrorist organizations to follow the same path of taking an hostile posture against you.

If you let people go around sanctions, then becoming hostile will simply have no consequences.

If there are no consequences to actions, and there is a big prize to win, then the politics will do it, no matter what.

Re: Infrastructure audit completed by Radically Open Security

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Post by rvnx »

zirgs wrote: post #26
apples_oranges wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t trading with certain states like sanctioning of how they treat their population? Withholding trade seems fair. We don’t want to deal with you because you start murderous wars for example seems fair. As for “multi polarity”.. seems so far like the catchphrase of shitty governments and unhappy people here that dream of some radical change.. It’s a false word somehow

Yup - there's no "multi". You either live in a country that's aligned with the USA. Or you live in some sort of authoritarian hellhole. There's no democratic and prosperous country that isn't aligned with the USA somehow. Russia had the chance to become a country like that in the 90s, but they chose to have another tsar instead.

It's honestly very sad the way the world moves :(

There was a real possibility that Russia could have joined Europe, but something got broken along the way.

I'm not sure that USA is really a strong ally of Europe. It's something in-between. US has its own interests before all.

They would lend us (Europe) money and sell us weapons in case we go to war, but a friend giving you a loan and making profit out of you isn't really that great friend.

Re: Infrastructure audit completed by Radically Open Security

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Post by blfr »

yieldcrv wrote: post #11

You’re still trusting that Mullvad never changes Mullvad never is compelled to change by coercion The data center Mullvad uses - a separate company - never compromises them out of curiosity, preference, coercion That governments skip the private sector coercion entirely and just add their own devices and logging in the middle, which came out of the Snowden leaks as normal 10 years ago. All VPNs have this limitation.…

At least for the DC compromise, you can multihop through servers from different providers.
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