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YouTube will now show a blank homepage if you don’t have watch history on

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Re: YouTube will now show a blank homepage if you don’t have watch history on

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How about a "don't recommend things I've already watched" option? The thing is, I like having a watch history and I like having suggestions based on it. If I watch something that I don't want affecting my suggestions, I'll delete it from the history after watching. The things I watch on YouTube, I generally have zero interest in watching again, and if I really want to, then I'll find it in my history. What I really d…

> The things I watch on YouTube, I generally have zero interest in watching again, and if I really want to, then I'll find it in my history.

There's an exception to this that I suspect is not uncommon: there's music one likes to listen to when one is chill/buzzed; having to poke into (or worse: dig thru) one's watching history is a procedure-intensive buzzkill.

> (where there is no clear indication if you've seen before it or not)

This is definitely a bug not a feature. But if the music that one evidently likes to hear and re-hear is posted prominently (based on the time of day, say) AND flagged as such, that's a feature not a bug.

Re: YouTube will now show a blank homepage if you don’t have watch history on

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post #12

> if you have YouTube watch history off and have no significant prior watch history I don't know what they consider to be "significant prior watch history". I have mine paused for nearly 4 years, and have spent a lot of time removing videos from my watch history to improve their recommendations. I've talked about it on HN before [1]. I finally got around to subscribing to YouTube Premium, and they already burned me o…

I don’t understand why people get so upset over being recommended content. You can stick to the subscriptions tab. You can search YouTube from your browser (!yt in DDG) Somehow YouTube wronged you by doing…what exactly? Raising prices? And who didn’t raise prices?

I’m more upset at the quality of the recommended content. I yearn for a YouTube recommendation engine as good as TikTok.

Re: YouTube will now show a blank homepage if you don’t have watch history on

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I'll admit I was pleasantly surprised at the lack of dark patterns involved in turning these settings off: https://myactivity.google.com/u/1/activitycontrols Disabling a setting asks if you also want to delete your history for that setting; if you say yes it shows a sample of what you're deleting, you confirm it, and it's done. Nothing tried to encourage me to stick around, keep my data, they could easily have let me…

AFAIK, this "My Activity" page is controlled by the user trust team which is mostly independent from other products, hence it doesn't share much incentives to "optimize" metrics.

Re: YouTube will now show a blank homepage if you don’t have watch history on

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I turned off "watch history" just now, and the home page still shows me (personalized) recommendations--which makes me sad because I hoped this would an easy way for me to quit my bad habit of scanning the recommendations when I am bored.

I used to welcome these recommendations, BTW, but they've been crap for the last 5 weeks or so.

Re: YouTube will now show a blank homepage if you don’t have watch history on

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> if you have YouTube watch history off and have no significant prior watch history I don't know what they consider to be "significant prior watch history". I have mine paused for nearly 4 years, and have spent a lot of time removing videos from my watch history to improve their recommendations. I've talked about it on HN before [1]. I finally got around to subscribing to YouTube Premium, and they already burned me o…

> I finally got around to subscribing to YouTube Premium, and they already burned me once by raising prices.

What are you paying for, exactly? Youtube is already free.

Actually wait, I don't want to know. I'm happy with my life, there's no way that knowing this will improve it.

Re: YouTube will now show a blank homepage if you don’t have watch history on

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post #12

> if you have YouTube watch history off and have no significant prior watch history I don't know what they consider to be "significant prior watch history". I have mine paused for nearly 4 years, and have spent a lot of time removing videos from my watch history to improve their recommendations. I've talked about it on HN before [1]. I finally got around to subscribing to YouTube Premium, and they already burned me o…

I don’t understand why people get so upset over being recommended content. You can stick to the subscriptions tab. You can search YouTube from your browser (!yt in DDG) Somehow YouTube wronged you by doing…what exactly? Raising prices? And who didn’t raise prices?

It's just annoying a) not having control over how I want to consume my content, b) the fact that I spent all this time cleaning up my Google account history just for them to potentially throw water on my efforts, and c) I'm paying them for them to do this to me.

To start off, I already lost two of my favourite ways to consume content this year: Flamingo for Twitter and Sync for Reddit (the latter thankfully resurrected as a Lemmy app).

I do use the Subscriptions tab, but that's for existing channels I found via YT's recommendations. I can't add more if I can't find more. My current YT setup has been working perfectly fine for me to discover cool stuff.

!yt is only as useful as the results YT provides, which they've recently messed with as well. If I search for "pizza" I'm provided with results that have absolutely nothing to do with pizza. https://i.imgur.com/gxhNViW.png I checked the transcripts of both Architectural Digest videos - not once was "pizza" mentioned. The "Fresh Guacamole" film has no dialogue, and is also not about pizza. It's about guacamole.

I think it's general consensus that Google's consumer products have been on a decline. Just 2 days ago "Google Maps has become an eyesore" was at the top of HN with 764 points [1]. If I search "Google Search" on HN, the top post that shows up is "Google Search Is Dying" with 3636 points [2]. And we're all familiar with the infamous Google Graveyard [3].

I enjoy not seeing ads and being able to support the creators I watch (Premium viewers apparently earn creators more money than ad-supported viewers [4]). I just think it's reasonable to want some control over what and how I feed them information about myself, if I'm paying $14 a month.

I understand that costs for a lot of other things have gone up, it's still annoying to be affected by it.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37030044

[2] https://hn.algolia.com/?q=Google+search

[3] https://killedbygoogle.com/

[4] https://youtu.be/Rh5hL47z2us?t=154

Re: YouTube will now show a blank homepage if you don’t have watch history on

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> if you have YouTube watch history off and have no significant prior watch history I don't know what they consider to be "significant prior watch history". I have mine paused for nearly 4 years, and have spent a lot of time removing videos from my watch history to improve their recommendations. I've talked about it on HN before [1]. I finally got around to subscribing to YouTube Premium, and they already burned me o…

>I finally got around to subscribing to YouTube Premium, and they already burned me once by raising prices. The first burn is that you are paying them with money AND your data (which they now can link to your CC#). I'd be more than happy to pay for a service like YT to get it ad free as long as it doesn't harvest my data (for any damn purpose).

The willingness to pay, actually makes you a more valuable customer to premium services, it reclassifies you for the 2nd tier web. Like a higher-refined product for advertisers.

Re: YouTube will now show a blank homepage if you don’t have watch history on

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I don't have watch history on, and I don't see a blank homepage. I still see a grid of videos from channels I've never watched. It doesn't say "recommendations" or anything, but I'm not sure what else it could be...

From the post: "We’re rolling these changes out slowly, over the next few months..."
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