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Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes

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Re: Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes

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Post by LordHeini »

mechhacker wrote: post #14
howeyc wrote: post #12

They interviewed 310 ppl, calculated their BMI, then found out around half skip breakfast. That half had BMI a little higher than the rest. No discussion of what they eat. What a waste of time for everyone involved.

And BMI says nothing of body fat percentage Can have higher BMI and lower bodyfat I'm not convinced BMI is a useful metric

It is for studies because, the average person with a high BMI has higher body fat on average.

That might not be the case individually but with multiple people the few outliers don't matter.

Re: Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes

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Post by wombat-man »

mechhacker wrote: post #14
howeyc wrote: post #12

They interviewed 310 ppl, calculated their BMI, then found out around half skip breakfast. That half had BMI a little higher than the rest. No discussion of what they eat. What a waste of time for everyone involved.

And BMI says nothing of body fat percentage Can have higher BMI and lower bodyfat I'm not convinced BMI is a useful metric

yeah... but the likelihood that you have a high BMI because you're just so jacked is low.

It's not perfect, but it's a good metric.

Re: Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes

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Post by BaculumMeumEst »

sheep-a wrote: post #3

This seems similar to intermittent fasting but with seemingly the opposite effect, I wonder what I'm missing.

your body handles glycemic load better earlier in the day. IF + front loading meals is a good recipe for improving metabolic health.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7213043/

Re: Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes

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Post by woeirua »

mechhacker wrote: post #14
howeyc wrote: post #12

They interviewed 310 ppl, calculated their BMI, then found out around half skip breakfast. That half had BMI a little higher than the rest. No discussion of what they eat. What a waste of time for everyone involved.

And BMI says nothing of body fat percentage Can have higher BMI and lower bodyfat I'm not convinced BMI is a useful metric

Pretty much only true if you are a body builder or someone else with an unusual amount of muscle mass relative to your height. For the vast majority of people though BMI is fine.

Re: Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes

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Post by dhx »

No control group?

No comparison across different demographic groups and countries? (for example, different food types being consumed at different times of the day)

No definition of what time and energy intake constitutes "late eating"? (see [1] for an example study that did define "late eating")

[1] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1038/oby.2006.17

Re: Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes

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Post by riddley »

flavius29663 wrote: post #17
tedchs wrote: post #4

IMHO, anything to do with Body Mass Index (BMI) is fake science. Ironically, this writeup is also from nih.gov: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2930234/

While for individual cases clinicians shouldn't rely on BMI much, and only use it for screening, in studies it makes sense to use it because it's a useful tool. A person with a BMI of 30 is almost always fatter than a person with a BMI of 20. The outliers (like athletes with big bones) wouldn't change the statistical analysis. It's in the same boat with IQ, it's a useful tool if you accept it has limited uses.

Except it's completely not (neither are.)

BMI can't distinguish between fat and muscle which is enough to disqualify it from any serious consideration.

IQ is similarly simplistic and attempts to measure something for which we don't even have an agreed-upon definition.

Re: Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes

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Post by esmIII »

tedchs wrote: post #4

IMHO, anything to do with Body Mass Index (BMI) is fake science. Ironically, this writeup is also from nih.gov: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2930234/

BMI is literally just correcting weight for height. That's it. What other methods should researchers use?

Re: Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes

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Post by howeyc »

dhx wrote: post #25

No control group? No comparison across different demographic groups and countries? (for example, different food types being consumed at different times of the day) No definition of what time and energy intake constitutes "late eating"? (see [1] for an example study that did define "late eating") [1] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1038/oby.2006.17

They defined late as 2 hours before bed. No consistency of when bed is across the group. Breakfast was 5am to 10am.

Looks like no control over food intake. For all we know, breakfast skippers might eat 2lbs of sugar for lunch in this study.

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